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Post by jbird4049 » Tue Mar 21, 2017 7:36 pm

Martin Hash wrote:Trump doesn't act like a politician. (He acts like real people do.) You're so used to polished BS from people who don't say what they mean that normal reactions from an obviously flawed person are unacceptable.

I don't like where the country was going. I don't like that we were exploited by NATO, and by "Free" Trade, and by cultural Marxists, and no one would DO anything about it! Maybe Trump won't either but at least he talks about it.
Like a real used car salesman, I think.

The only reason I even thought of voting for Clinton (and I really didn't want 4-8 years more of Obama's neoliberalism with bonus Clinton corruption.) is because Trump was the other real choice, and the only reason he won is because Clinton was the other choice.

Also it's really annoying when this nonsense of the Parties actually being either Conservative or Liberal when they are not. The neoliberalism and neoconservatism in vogue in both Parties are almost the same which means the Parties are almost the same. Any differences are at the margins, and actual liberals and conservatives are homeless.
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Post by Speaker to Animals » Tue Mar 21, 2017 7:46 pm

Nothing about American politics right now breaks down to conservative versus liberal. The conservatives don't even control the GOP any longer. Neither do the liberals really have any grasp on the DNC at this point, with radical marxists making up the majority of the democratic party electorate.

The actual divisions in this country are between marxists/globalists and nationalists/anti-marxists.

The battles are over whether a nation state should even have a fucking border, whether the American people have some say in the demographic destiny of their own fucking nation, whether the economic policies should benefit the American people first, whether we should back out of job offshoring trade deals that really are nothing more than selling American jobs overseas in exchange for those foreign nations buying our national debt. The battle is over whether white people should be "shut down" as the democratic activists say, whether men should face even more discriminatory laws and bigotry in courts.

It's a battle between people who love this country and people who think America is evil.

That liberal versus conservative stuff doesn't even exist any longer.

Even if you care about that stupid shit, it shouldn't even register at the top of your list of priorities right now.

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Post by Speaker to Animals » Tue Mar 21, 2017 7:50 pm

If you really wanted to get philosophical about it..

All of this is about borders. Not even just physical borders but moral, ethical, and even ontological borders. The marxists who now dominate what we call the "left" in America despise borders. They want to just let everything out of the box to see what happens. The nationalists, alt-righters, and traditionalists who make up the opposing coalition believe in maintaining strict borders. They want to keep things in the proper categories. They want to keep America America. They want to maintain definite moral and social boundaries.

There's also people who find themselves mixed up in between, but I think if they really thought about it, they'd shake out on one side or another.

In the meta sense, there's probably good reason to balance those two driving forces, but right now we obviously swung very, very, very fucking too far over to the no-borders area and we have to fix this shit fast or we will pay a hefty price.

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Post by Calculus Man » Tue Mar 21, 2017 7:56 pm

Speaker to Animals wrote:After watching videos of that vile pussy march in Washington, it's quite clear to me that the degeneracy is being taught very early to young children by batshit crazy feminists.

It shouldn't surprise anybody that feminists are training their children to say stupid shit like this.
The great thing about kids is that they rebel.

The backlash against that kind of parenting is going to be swift and nasty.

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Post by Speaker to Animals » Tue Mar 21, 2017 7:59 pm

Calculus Man wrote:
Speaker to Animals wrote:After watching videos of that vile pussy march in Washington, it's quite clear to me that the degeneracy is being taught very early to young children by batshit crazy feminists.

It shouldn't surprise anybody that feminists are training their children to say stupid shit like this.
The great thing about kids is that they rebel.

The backlash against that kind of parenting is going to be swift and nasty.

We already see it happening.

Millennials are turning on it. For instance, in my own religion, I see millennials as the primary driving force to demand a return to traditionalism. If you look on Youtube, a popular medium for anti-marxism, it's mostly millennials leading the charge. But people are starting to look at generation z, and holy fucking shit are they are rad trads.

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Post by clubgop » Tue Mar 21, 2017 8:05 pm

Kath wrote:Hey Ooky - Just FYI - I rarely post here, now. Most here have gotten so used to the taste of Trump's butt juice that they don't know that it tastes lousy. Perhaps one day they will get their mouth out of his ass, but until then, it's nonsense spew from the fringe right.

I'm over here hoping that some day we can get someone reasonable to run the country - the extremes on both sides are killing us. The 40% or so of us in the middle are horrified, and have been for years.
Come on Kath, cut the crap. Who are the extremist? How is DJT not a centrist?

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Post by Speaker to Animals » Tue Mar 21, 2017 8:11 pm

With respect to the borders issue..

Look at how the "left" (again, I hate using that paradigm, but you know what I mean when I use the term) seek to erase distinctions in pretty much every ontological category they identify. They don't even recognize the distinction between male and female any longer. This kind of person is very likely to be interested in intellectual ideas like transhumanism. They are likely to want to eliminate national borders, ethnicities and human diversity itself.

They fuck up language all the time, so it's difficult to see it based on what they are saying, but when you realize that they fucked up language like the sophists that they are, you will be able to better see it. For instance, when they say they want diversity, they really want the opposite of that. They want to merge people together into some homogeneous future where everybody is "brown". Actual ethnic diversity, as existed up until these weird immigration policies existed, is an anathema to them. When they say they want to expand the number of genders, what they really want to do is eliminate the very concept of gender. You can see this for yourself by asking them to provide a definitive list of genders, and they won't do it because they want an indefinite list of genders.

Also, when you dissect their strange alternative moral code, you will see the worst sin you can commit is "intolerance". By that they don't mean that you should actually tolerate something you disagree with but, rather, you should be forced to agree with it, which is not tolerance at all (since, by definition, tolerance implies you do not interfere with some behavior with which you disagree). But dissecting it further, what they really object to here is the imposition of moral and ontological boundaries (borders). When you recognize something as morally wrong, you create a border between behavior which is acceptable and that which is unacceptable. When they scream at you and demand you "tolerate" that behavior, they really mean that you should accept it, which in turn requires that you suddenly no longer believe and affirm the existence of a moral boundary.

I think if a person reading this honestly considers what I am saying, they will begin to see it everywhere on the "left". This is their driving force: the elimination of boundaries.

Conversely, on the "right", people wish to maintain boundaries. They like to divide the world up into strict categories. They like to see the world as black and white. Something is right, wrong, or makes no moral distinction. They want borders to exist in the physical and social world. They like having a restroom assigned to a specific gender, and they don't like the idea that people can just subjectively decide that social boundary no longer exists.

If people like that (me) get too much power, then society likely becomes stifling. You always need that balance between the two. Right now there exists a war between the two. Insomuch as DrY once barely had a point, we need each other not because these are two competing ideologies, but two competing human traits. It's like there are two kinds of minds out there. You just have to grow up and figure out, without thinking about it, what you really are, and then you can look back at your life and realize how you got here. We don't need a balance between ideologies or whatever. We need a balance of power between these two kinds of people.

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Post by Speaker to Animals » Tue Mar 21, 2017 8:30 pm

Also, this is why people on the "right", I think, feel a deep aversion to considering something like a libertarian as one of them. Libertarians share an economic ideology in common with *some* people on the right, but deep down, they are the open borders type. It's also why you can see interviews with people in the alt-right, when asked how they felt about socialism, replied they don't really mind it. Economics is not really the dividing factor here.

This is why talking about a left-right paradigm doesn't help us right now. We have open borders clowns like Paul Ryan in the republican party. The political division causing all this drama today does not really exist between those two political parties at all, but actually crosses the party lines to some extent.

The reason so many people are becoming so hostile to SJWs, or why so many people are becoming intrinsically hostile to the rising degeneracy, I think comes down to the fact that they innately are the pro-borders personalities.

It's the reason why there exists a huge divide on the right regarding trade and borders. People who support "free trade" often also want "open borders" to some extent. They are not the same kind of animal as a Donald Trump or Ted Cruz.

And when you look at those two characters, how could it be that the two of them captured so much support in the republican primaries when pretty much the entire power structure of the United States was set against them? They both share a pro-borders mindset. Ted Cruz, probably more so, but he sucked at conveying it.

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Post by Okeefenokee » Tue Mar 21, 2017 11:19 pm

Speaker to Animals wrote:After watching videos of that vile pussy march in Washington, it's quite clear to me that the degeneracy is being taught very early to young children by batshit crazy feminists.

It shouldn't surprise anybody that feminists are training their children to say stupid shit like this.
This.
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Post by Fife » Wed Mar 22, 2017 6:29 am

TheReal_ND wrote:
Okeefenokee wrote:bullshit, every one of us has criticized him. the difference is that we have legitimate concerns with his actions or policies whereas you gals are a bunch of loons going on until the cows come home about the fucking russians. you seriously are acting no different than the crazies who talk about lizard people and nazis living in the center of the earth.
Wait... we don't believe Nazis live in the hollow earth? :shifty:
Really makes you think.

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