The Left Does not Reason

[The Conservative]

Carlus, you're making a few errors. I said the cultural divides of right and left are geographically based, not racism.

Forget the terms Democrat and Republican as being continuous identities through history because they are not, and that's because the parties are subject to shifts in cultural identity depending on the regions they hold power in.

Notice how it was the Southerners who defended the standing social orders and hierarchies of the day in the 1850s. Notice how the Southerners today largely have the same conservative, reactionary political culture, which is applied to modern progressive ideas, even though, get this, they have a different political party affiliation than in the 1850s.

That is why it doesn't matter whether the Democrats or Republicans control the South, because the political culture of the South is conservative, reactionary, right wing, and has been that way since the Civil War, where the great American identities were tempered like steel through flames.

It's simply an ahistorical modern conservative fantasy to claim that the KKK was left wing in any of its manifestations. I understand the appeal to the imagination, being defeated ignobly by the North, and then having to bear the shame of responsibility for forming the first terrorist organization in American history, and the racism, it is only natural that conservatives would try to wash their hands of their history and blame progressives for it, through the simplistic fig leaf of the party affiliations.

You've got quite a juggling act going there. It's an admirable try. But where I give you facts, you avoid them. I know where you are going with this BS Dixiecrat switch, it's a myth.

J. William Fullbright is a saint amongst todays Dems and the Left, he was a tremendous racist and a very intelligent educated man, and like his protégé Bill Clinton and Oxford Scholar. Woodrow Wilson too was highly educated, Johns Hopkins, Cornell, Weslyan, New York Law, and Princeton; but he was a huge racist. These are mere examples of the highly educated racists of the left. What you never hear is the lefts leadership apologizing for these people, the pain, suffering and human tradegy they caused. No, the Left embraces and loves these people.

What you are doing here, is using Liberal and Conservative titles to make excuses for the Democrats Racist history, a history that the Democrats seem quite proud to embrace. As proof of this you make the argument that it is Hollywoods bad stereotypical country boy bubba that is the flag bearer of racism. That is just BS, oh and here's some numbers to prove it.
http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/20 ... -fairness/

The gap in perceptions between urban and rural residents is widest when it comes to the treatment of blacks in the criminal justice system. Half of all urbanites say blacks are treated less fairly than whites in dealing with the police, compared with just 30% of rural residents. And a similar gap emerges regarding the courts—about four-in-ten urbanites (41%) see racial bias, compared with about a quarter of those who live in rural areas (24%).

Direct Question. JohnnDonne, do you believe the Democrat Party should apologize for their role in Slavery, Jim Crow, stalling Civil Rights and Segregation ?

Don't forget to tack on the Civil War, and the assassination of two presidents.

[DrYouth]

[C-Mag]

Don't forget to tack on the Civil War, and the assassination of two presidents.

I'm just wondering if JDonne has any facts what so ever. He's just going with Hollywood, bubba is a racist slob. When in fact Blacks that live in the 'enlightened' urban utopia are more likely to be exposed to racism, die violently, and fall short of educational goals. These urban utopias, like Chicago, Cincinnati and Detroit are run by smart, highly educated Liberals who look down there nose at bubba. Yet fail time and time again to improve the lives of the minorities in their communities.

[SuburbanFarmer]

[Speaker to Animals]

Who, instead of reasoning, decides to shut down the speech and arguments of people they don't agree with? That's _____

Who paints everybody who opposes them as "nazis" and justifies physical violence against those people on the grounds that one should always attack nazis? That's _____.

Fun exercise...

Substitute Marxists for Nazi's and who do you get?

Difference being that these are actual marxists.. besides that niggling little detail.. lol, nobody is justifying actually physically beating marxists to death on the street or trying to shut down their speech. That's what marxists do..

[JohnDonne]

Carlus, you're making a few errors. I said the cultural divides of right and left are geographically based, not racism.

Forget the terms Democrat and Republican as being continuous identities through history because they are not, and that's because the parties are subject to shifts in cultural identity depending on the regions they hold power in.

Notice how it was the Southerners who defended the standing social orders and hierarchies of the day in the 1850s. Notice how the Southerners today largely have the same conservative, reactionary political culture, which is applied to modern progressive ideas, even though, get this, they have a different political party affiliation than in the 1850s.

That is why it doesn't matter whether the Democrats or Republicans control the South, because the political culture of the South is conservative, reactionary, right wing, and has been that way since the Civil War, where the great American identities were tempered like steel through flames.

It's simply an ahistorical modern conservative fantasy to claim that the KKK was left wing in any of its manifestations. I understand the appeal to the imagination, being defeated ignobly by the North, and then having to bear the shame of responsibility for forming the first terrorist organization in American history, and the racism, it is only natural that conservatives would try to wash their hands of their history and blame progressives for it, through the simplistic fig leaf of the party affiliations.

You've got quite a juggling act going there. It's an admirable try. But where I give you facts, you avoid them. I know where you are going with this BS Dixiecrat switch, it's a myth.

J. William Fullbright is a saint amongst todays Dems and the Left, he was a tremendous racist and a very intelligent educated man, and like his protégé Bill Clinton and Oxford Scholar. Woodrow Wilson too was highly educated, Johns Hopkins, Cornell, Weslyan, New York Law, and Princeton; but he was a huge racist. These are mere examples of the highly educated racists of the left. What you never hear is the lefts leadership apologizing for these people, the pain, suffering and human tradegy they caused. No, the Left embraces and loves these people.

What you are doing here, is using Liberal and Conservative titles to make excuses for the Democrats Racist history, a history that the Democrats seem quite proud to embrace. As proof of this you make the argument that it is Hollywoods bad stereotypical country boy bubba that is the flag bearer of racism. That is just BS, oh and here's some numbers to prove it.
http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/20 ... -fairness/

The gap in perceptions between urban and rural residents is widest when it comes to the treatment of blacks in the criminal justice system. Half of all urbanites say blacks are treated less fairly than whites in dealing with the police, compared with just 30% of rural residents. And a similar gap emerges regarding the courts—about four-in-ten urbanites (41%) see racial bias, compared with about a quarter of those who live in rural areas (24%).

Direct Question. JohnnDonne, do you believe the Democrat Party should apologize for their role in Slavery, Jim Crow, stalling Civil Rights and Segregation ?

Judging by your responses, you seem to conflate my use of the word right with racist repeatedly, although I have not used the words racist against the right, racism doesn't come into my argument at all.

I simply pointed out that the right formed the KKK while under the Democrat banner, which was the conservative party at the time. The label right or conservative is not a semantic trick to confuse anyone, nor are they code words for racist. The KKK is and was a right-wing reactionary group by definition and were manifestly so from their inception to the modern day. It's actually revisionist hogwash to suggest that they were leftists simply because of the fig leaf "Democrat equals leftist" associations we hold today, regardless of historical and cultural/political/regional forces of the time the KKK was formed.

As for your question, I don't see the relevance at all but put whatever answer would suit your purposes.

[clubgop]

Do you even read the things you post?

Then what did they pay her for if not for the riot? Do you even bother to read the whole thing or do you quote mine it and not bother reading the surrounding context?

This is the person who organized the violent riot on the UIC campus and she was paid a large sum of money by the Clinton campaign right before she organized it..

I see no reason why that wouldn't hold up in court...

Talk about a double standard. Just the hint of a golden shower from that paragon of journalism Buzzfeed and your ready to proclaim the reincarnation of the Romanov dynasty.

[SuburbanFarmer]

Then what did they pay her for if not for the riot? Do you even bother to read the whole thing or do you quote mine it and not bother reading the surrounding context?

This is the person who organized the violent riot on the UIC campus and she was paid a large sum of money by the Clinton campaign right before she organized it..

I see no reason why that wouldn't hold up in court...

Talk about a double standard. Just the hint of a golden shower from that paragon of journalism Buzzfeed and your ready to proclaim the reincarnation of the Romanov dynasty.

<citation needed - fever dreams not an acceptable source>

[jbird4049]

Yeah ok. Leftist never do anything wrong and there is always a good excuse and Hillary has a 98.1% chance to win the election.

Conservatives go into hiding from the Black Shirts
http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2017/0 ... ir-safety/

All this "we're being persecuted They're all out to get us sweet innocent little lambs. Flee, flee from vicious ones" talk is getting nauseatingly predictable.



All this from partisans of a political party that controls all three branches of the Federal government, including law enforcement, and the military. Oh yeah, most of the States' governments too. So...because the GOP controls the government, people shouldn't be afraid that crazed leftist rioters are going to beat them with poles? Come on now. Don't be intellectually dishonest. You don't pay attention to anything outside your echo chamber, do you? Have you seen the riots? Have you seen the people who have been getting assaulted by Leftists over the course of the last year?

All this angst is disgusting to see when some Blue State white upper-middle class college going manchild proclaim they're all gonna die tomorrow just die because of the evil deplorables or some similar BS.

So why should I listen to similar nonsense from you, too?

Some of us in this thread believe so called conservatives are the ones causing most of the violence, others believe it's so called liberals. It doesn't matter what you believe. It matters what is actually happening. What is actually happening is that Radical Leftists have been given a platform and an excuse to riot and hurt people.

I do know that in a nation of over 300,000,000 people you are going to find violent idiots being violent idiots, so we could spend all day long, every day of the year finding new wonderful examples of stupid, violent, intolerance from all sides at the same time. I agree, but you're completely discounting the violence of the left. These are groups of leftists, not one or two lone wolf attacks.

Our Nation is being transformed into a police state, an actual God Damn police state from decades of collective effort from both parties. Yes, I think one party is very slightly less poisonously vile than the other, but it's like a choice between Ebola or the Black Death. Your hyperbole does you no credit.

Which vial of vileness should I take? Which vial should you take? Would it matter? Who gives a fuck?

Each time we have elections, we may get a "change" of political parties, but despite the different packaging, the results are always the same old, same old.

More corruption, more poverty, and a growing police state.

And here we are spending time arguing over which supposed side has the most assholes. What am I saying? I'm doing that too.

Much of this response, I could say to others on this board, Sunny.

But, are my conclusions wrong, and if they are not, and I don't think so, how are they hyperbolic? I certainly do not see the trends towards a police state changing at all. Partly because many refuse to acknowledge this is happening regardless of which party wins an election. It is not ideology that counts now, it is the acquisition of power, and our rights/freedoms are in the way, seeking that power. Our ever increasing corruption is a symptom of this.

[jbird4049]

And I am the one with the hyperbole?