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[StCapps]

Therein lies the problem, by the time things got to 1962, it was too late for the Americans to execute the counterforce without a significant portion of the CONUS being anihilated, and so they had to rely on dumb luck to save them, but using the 20-20 hindsight of something which was only stopped by dumb luck, is not a sound nuclear strategy.

My strategy is not to wait for 1962 faggot, my strategy is there is no need to attack someone who is nowhere near having Russia's nuclear deterrent in 1962. I would also advise taking them out before that point, especially if they continue to remain an unstable hell hole, which is quite likely.

Quit fronting like it's either roll with the Smitty plan, to nuke NK ASAP for no reason, or your some appeasement monkey. There is a large buffer here, and the situation could improve in the meantime, no need to rush what could be the inevitable. It will be of minimal extra cost to take them out later, yet before they threaten the CONUS with well tested ICBMs on hair trigger alert, there is little risk in giving them a little extra time to clean up their act, they simply aren't that close that you need to make a call that quickly, one way or the other. The cost of taking them out won't increase so much in the near future that you can't afford to show a little patience.

[Smitty-48]

Therein lies the problem, by the time things got to 1962, it was too late for the Americans to execute the counterforce without a significant portion of the CONUS being anihilated, and so they had to rely on dumb luck to save them, but using the 20-20 hindsight of something which was only stopped by dumb luck, is not a sound nuclear strategy.

My strategy is not to wait for 1962 faggot, my strategy is there is no need to attack someone who is nowhere near having Russia's nuclear deterrent in 1962. I would also advise taking them out before that point if, especially if they continue to remain an unstable hell hole, which is quite likely.

Quit fronting like it's either roll with the Smitty plan, to nuke NK ASAP for no reason, or your some appeasement monkey.

1962 was an invetable outcome, it was baked right into the cake, it was the meeting engagement which all such confrontations come to at some point, in order to get to the much more stable paradigm of post 1962, there had to be a 1962 first, the North Koreans will take it there, inexorably, a prolonged nuclear standoff with Pyongyang will escalate to a crisis at some point, and they are not the Soviets, they are a much different animal, Juche is a doomsday cult, the regime is totalitarian in ways which would give even Stalin pause, and the standoff will be even more assymetrical, it's not a stable paradigm like Detente to Mikhail Gorbachev, this is not the Cold War, this is a hot war in progress, which is about to reach the threshold of hair trigger hydrogen bombs over the CONUS.

[StCapps]

1962 was an invetable outcome, it was baked right into the cake, it was the meeting engagement which all such confrontations come to at some point, in order to get to the much more stable paradigm of post 1962, there had to be a 1962 first, the North Koreans will take it there, inexorably, a prolonged nuclear standoff with Pyongyang will escalate to a crisis at some point, and they are not the Soviets, they are a much different animal, Juche is a doomsday cult, the regime is totalitarian in ways which would give even Stalin pause, and the standoff will be even more assymetrical, it's not a stable paradigm like Detene to Mikhail Gorbachev, this is not the Cold War, this is a hot war in pogress, which is about to reach the threshold of hair trigger hydrogen bombs over the CONUS.

So nuke them before they get too close to Russia in 1962, if they are unstable totalitarian doomsday cult still when that comes to pass. There is still plenty of time for that, no need to nuke them tomorrow bro, the cost savings of getting it done now would be negligible.

[Smitty-48]

So nuke them before they get too close to Russia in 1962, if they are unstable doomsday cult still. There is still plenty of time for that, no need to nuke them tomorrow bro.

If I am the American CinC, I am not prepared to allow it to come to that, because by that time, the counterforce could not be executed without placing millions of Americans in extreme peril, if the counterforce has to be executed against a fully operational and dispersed NK nuclear deterrent, then they are likely to get their shots in, they'll get some missiles off, the BMD won't stop them all, America will prevail, but millions of Americans will die in the process. Preemptive counterforce, well short of that threshold, is the only way to ensure that only North Koreans die, and no Americans in the CONUS are killed at all.

[StCapps]

Preemptive counterforce, well short of that threshold, is the only way to ensure that only North Koreans die, and no Americans in the CONUS are killed at all.

Right, but by the time they successfully test only one ICBM, they won't be getting jack shit through American BMD, and even if they did, it wouldn't make it to the CONUS. So like I said, no need to take them out tomorrow, they don't have Russia's nuclear arsenal from 1962 and they aren't even close to that point where they are getting close to Russia in 62, and they won't be for quite some time. Lots of time to wait and plan, before executing.

It's not like if the US doesn't nuke North Korea tomorrow then North Korea will nuke the CONUS on Sunday. So quit fronting like they need to be nuked today, because waiting until tomorrow is just too risky, that's bullshit and you know it.

[Smitty-48]

Preemptive counterforce, well short of that threshold, is the only way to ensure that only North Koreans die, and no Americans in the CONUS are killed at all.

Right, but by the time they successfully test only one ICBM, they won't be getting jack shit through American BMD, and even if they did, it wouldn't make it to the CONUS. So like I said, no need to take them out tomorrow, they don't have Russia's nuclear arsenal from 1962 and they aren't even close to that point where they are getting close to Russia in 62, and they won't be for quite some time. Lots of time to wait and plan, before executing.

The trajectory is clear, they will have dozens of them in no time at all, then scores, then hundreds, nuclear weapons are comparitively cheap, once they master their designs, which they will, mass production is not difficult, and they will disperse them, and they will conceal them, counterforce at that threshold could not be executed without several North Korean hydrogen bombs getting to the CONUS, even with comprehensive BMD. BMD is an enabler, but it is not an impenetrable shield, it would reduce attirtion, but American attrittion would still be in the millions, even if only one got through, and more than that would get through in the end.

[StCapps]

The trajectory is clear, they will have dozens of them in no time at all, then scores, then hundreds, nuclear weapons are comparitively cheap, once they master their designs, which they will, mass production is not difficult, and they will disperse them, and they will conceal them, counterforce at that threshold could not be executed without several North Korean hydrogen bombs getting to the CONUS, even with comprehensive BMD. BMD is an enabler, but it is not an impenetrable shield, it would reduce attirtion, but American attrittion would still be in the millions, even if only one got through, and more than that would get through in the end.

By the time they are close to having a even one functional ICBM, they won't be able to produce them fast enough to threaten the CONUS, without adequate testing accuracy of these ICBMs is going to be quite low, they won't get through jack shit and if they do they won't hit jack shit. Building missile takes time and it's time they won't have. They aren't sneaky enough to pull of what you are suggesting, because by the time they are anywhere near capable of it, they will be taken out prior to.

The trajectory gives America plenty of time to contemplate the best strategy to deal with that trajectory, because North Korea is nowhere close to Russia in 62.

[Smitty-48]

The trajectory is clear, they will have dozens of them in no time at all, then scores, then hundreds, nuclear weapons are comparitively cheap, once they master their designs, which they will, mass production is not difficult, and they will disperse them, and they will conceal them, counterforce at that threshold could not be executed without several North Korean hydrogen bombs getting to the CONUS, even with comprehensive BMD. BMD is an enabler, but it is not an impenetrable shield, it would reduce attirtion, but American attrittion would still be in the millions, even if only one got through, and more than that would get through in the end.

By the time they are close to have a even one functional ICBM, they won't be able to produce them fast enough to threaten the CONUS, building missile takes time and it's time they won't have. They aren't sneaky enough to pull of what you are suggesting, because by the time they are anywhere near capable of it, they will be taken out prior to.

No, the North Koreans have already mastered the hard part, they are rapidly approaching the threshold of massive retaliation capability, this is not bleeding edge technology, this is 1950's technology, and it's well within their grasp, they are at this juncture in the final phases, the ICBM's are in the PBV separation test phase, and they are just a deuterium capsule away from two stage fission-fusion deliverable to the CONUS, in force.

[StCapps]

No, the North Koreans have already mastered the hard part, they are rapidly approaching the threshold of massive retaliation capability, this is not bleeding edge technology, this is 1950's technology, and it's well within their grasp, they are at this juncture in the final phases, the ICBM's are in the PBV separation test phase, and they are just a deuterium capsule away from two stage fission-fusion deliveranble to the CONUS, in force.

Right but until they are properly tested, they can't be trusted to reach the CONUS on target, and the US won't allow them to get in the testing necessary to learn that information before they get taken out, so really they aren't that close to being able to successfully retaliate. You embellish to back up a shitty argument that you've dug yourself in on. Once they know the missiles work then they need time to produce them, attach the warheads, and then hide the nukes from America so they can't be taken out before they get a chance to possibly retaliate to a pre-emptive strike.

That's time NK won't have, they'll be bombed and taken out well before it gets to that point, even if NK nuclear capabilities sneak up on America a little, they won't have bought enough time to set up quick enough before America takes them out.

[Smitty-48]

By the time they can reach the CONUS reliably, it's too late then, certainly, the American people are in denial, they don't want to think about it, so they just pretend that it's not going to happen, but by the time they are forced to confront it, it will be too late, it falls to the American CinC to lead, and ensure that it nevers come to too late, too late, is not an acceptable outcome, if you are forsworn to defend the CONUS from unacceptable attrition.