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Re: North Korea News

Post by Speaker to Animals » Sat Sep 02, 2017 9:36 am

Capps, the USSR was pretty bad. You millennials just don't fully grasp what the world was like back then (or now for that matter).

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Post by Smitty-48 » Sat Sep 02, 2017 9:38 am

StCapps wrote: You sound like the Pentagon
Oh, well I take that as a compliment, cheers.
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Post by StCapps » Sat Sep 02, 2017 9:39 am

Smitty-48 wrote:
StCapps wrote: You sound like the Pentagon
Oh, well I take that as a compliment, cheers.
It's not. You drum up a fake war scare to justify a waste of military resources, that's what I meant by it, no matter how obtuse you pretend to be.
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Re: North Korea News

Post by StCapps » Sat Sep 02, 2017 9:41 am

Speaker to Animals wrote:Capps, the USSR was pretty bad. You millennials just don't fully grasp what the world was like back then (or now for that matter).
The USSR didn't need to be taken out pre-emptively, Communist China hasn't yet either. North Korea needs to be taken out, why again? Aside from "they are an abomination" with an "unstable regime", how does it help America to take them out, considering the cost? Why is the pip squeek on the block the scary guy you need to handle, yet the bigger and badder bullies aren't?

Nuking North Korea for no reason preemptively, that just seems like a stupid idea all around, the kind of idea that only an armchair general would think is a good idea.
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Re: North Korea News

Post by Speaker to Animals » Sat Sep 02, 2017 9:45 am

StCapps wrote:
Speaker to Animals wrote:Capps, the USSR was pretty bad. You millennials just don't fully grasp what the world was like back then (or now for that matter).
The USSR didn't need to be taken out pre-emptively, Communist China didn't either. North Korea needs to be taken out, why again? Aside from "they are an abomination", how does it help America to take them out, considering the cost?

The only reason the USSR didn't light the world up in a nuclear conflagration was by the grace of God. You should be thanking God you are here and civilization remains, not assuming what happened was anything less than a miracle. Do you realize how many times we almost lost it only to be held back by the consciences and whims of one or a handful of men who defied orders from Moscow?

You just don't understand what the situation was because you were raised in a globalist society and indoctrinated therein. They go out of their way to paint a narrative of the Cold War that was totally inaccurate.

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Re: North Korea News

Post by StCapps » Sat Sep 02, 2017 9:50 am

Speaker to Animals wrote:The only reason the USSR didn't light the world up in a nuclear conflagration was by the grace of God. You should be thanking God you are here and civilization remains, not assuming what happened was anything less than a miracle. Do you realize how many times we almost lost it only to be held back by the consciences and whims of one or a handful of men who defied orders from Moscow?

You just don't understand what the situation was because you were raised in a globalist society and indoctrinated therein. They go out of their way to paint a narrative of the Cold War that was totally inaccurate.
You're lucky America didn't launch on false warning too, plenty of blame to go around on that one. By the grace of god indeed, but that doesn't mean you need to nuke North Korea pre-emptively because the Cold War was so scary, give me a break.

You don't nuke someone for no reason, just in case they someday nuke you, fuck off with that idiocy.
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Re: North Korea News

Post by Smitty-48 » Sat Sep 02, 2017 9:51 am

StCapps wrote:
Smitty-48 wrote:
StCapps wrote: You sound like the Pentagon
Oh, well I take that as a compliment, cheers.
It's not. You drum up a fake war scare to justify a waste of military resources, that's what I meant by it, no matter how obtuse you pretend to be.
It's not a fake war scenario, a state of war exists with North Korea, the Korean War is not over, there's merely an armistice, and it's not waste of resources, the Americans simply cannot prepare for the next war as if it was the last war, as if all nuclear standoffs are the same and they all end with Mikhail Gorbachev and Glasnost every time.
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Re: North Korea News

Post by StCapps » Sat Sep 02, 2017 9:53 am

Smitty-48 wrote:It's not a fake war scenario, a state of war exsits with North Korea, the Korean War is not over, there's merely an armtitice, and it's not waste of resources, the Americans simply cannot prepare for the next war as if it was the last was, as if all nuclear standoffs are the same and they all end with Mikhail Gorbachebv and Glasnost every time.
If the situation gets out of hand, then you can execute your plan, until then you're jumping the gun for little to no gain. There is no hurry based on the current situation, if that changes, then come talk to me.

I'm not saying don't plan for such a contingency, I'm saying don't pull the trigger right away, for no good reason, that makes no sense. Until they successfully test an ICBM, they are nowhere near having a nuclear deterrent that can threaten the US, there would be no risk to the CONUS, and when you have that kind of buffer, there obviously is no need to rush. Waiting will only marginally increase the costs of taking them out later, if they need to be taken out at all, it would barely even be a minor nuisance.
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Post by Smitty-48 » Sat Sep 02, 2017 9:59 am

StCapps wrote:
Smitty-48 wrote:It's not a fake war scenario, a state of war exsits with North Korea, the Korean War is not over, there's merely an armtitice, and it's not waste of resources, the Americans simply cannot prepare for the next war as if it was the last was, as if all nuclear standoffs are the same and they all end with Mikhail Gorbachebv and Glasnost every time.
If the situation gets out of hand, then you can execute your plan, until then you're jumping the gun for little to no gain. There is no hurry based on the current situation, if that changes, then come talk to me.

I'm not saying don't plan for such a contingency, I'm saying don't pull the trigger right away, for no good reason, that makes no sense.
Therein lies the problem, by the time things got to 1962, it was too late for the Americans to execute the counterforce without a significant portion of the CONUS being anihilated, and so they had to rely on dumb luck to save them, but using the 20-20 hindsight of something which was only stopped by dumb luck, is not a sound nuclear strategy.
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Re: North Korea News

Post by GloryofGreece » Sat Sep 02, 2017 10:01 am

Curtis LeMay motherfuckers. Need a JFK to reign your ass in. Dr. Strangelove indeed.
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