A-10C Thunderbolt II makes a comeback

[Smitty-48]

Except contrary to popular hysteria, the F-35 is a bad ass mamma jamma which will eat F-16's and every other 4Gen for breakfast, without even seeing it coming nor going, it's already doing so at Red Flag, tested against worse than real world conditions, the F-35s are in and out with impunity, same as the F-22.

And all that for the same price as an F-16E/F Block 60.

[Montegriffo]

Give the Queen my address please, and ask her how much for a quarter Oz. Or 16 grams. Or .2173 stone, or whatever weird measurement the Brits use these days.

We use the Awqiyyah now.

[Smitty-48]

Like, yes, stealth and sensor fusion is expensive and complex, and like all expensive complex military hardware, there are glitches, but reality check; if/when the Americans bring the F-35 against as a holistic force against the projected adversaries, it's gonna be ugly for those adversaries, the F-35 will pummel them with impunity.

When it happens, nobody is gonna be crying about the price of the F-35, it's gonna be Merica fuck yeah this, and Merica fuck yeah that, all over and up and down.

[Smitty-48]

Bear in mind, when the F-15 came out in the 70's, the same phony baloney "reformers" cried that it was an "overpriced, overly complex piece of junk that would be totally useless in a shooting war", after it went 100-0 against the Soviet made adversaries, pummeled. them. with. impunity. that put an end to that right quick.

It's the leftards of Mother Jones Magazine & Co who are running this smear campaign, same as it was in the 70's; wise up already.

The socialist peaceniks of the far left are not in favour of any military procurement, no matter what fighter jet you put in front them, they would come up with fallacies to trash it as a horrible catastrophe in the liberal media, who knew?

Mother Jones > POGO > Liberal Media > Internet Clickbait, that's what's going on here, don't drink the kool-aid.

[Speaker to Animals]

The F-16 has jack shit. It's just a fly-by-wire system. Electronic failure of it's primitive flight control system results in lawn dart. Engine failure results in lawn dart. Failure of many kinds, that to an F-15 pilot would be a nuisance, result in lawn dart.

The F-16 is a fucking lawn dart, and the F-35 is it's lawn dart descendant.

And guess which twin engined aircraft has the best stats with Class A mishaps per 100k flight hours?

(From USAF statistics)
Multiengine Class A mishaps

B-52 1,68 historical, last 10 years 0,4

Twin engined Class A mishaps:

F-15 0,66
F-22 0,57
F-111 0,49
F-117 0,48
F-4 0,16
A-10 0,09

Compare those above to single engined:

F-104 9,48 (Yep, Starfighter was deadly)
F-100 5,61
F-105 4,56
A-7 1,73
F-16 (F-100/200) 1,84
F-16 (F-110/129) 0,84

Now just to put these statistics into perspective, here's the historical NAVAL AVIATION class A mishaps per 100k Flight Hours table. That start with over 50 mishaps / 100k hrs, so compared to that the Starfighter was safe.



And btw there's another interesting statistic about the flight hours:

Cumulative Flight Hours On Active MDS
A-10 (TF34)10,707,795 EFH
F-15 (F220)4,241,715 EFH
F-15 (F229)1,205,765 EFH
F-22 (F119) 523,201 EFH

So the A-10 fleet has flown TWICE as much as F-15 Eagles and 20 times more than the few Raptors. And there have been a lot more Eagles in the USAF inventory than A-10s.

Bitch however much you want about it and praise the F-35 as long as you want, but A-10 is a good aircraft!

You know how d our B-52s are? The youngest ones are from about 1960.

Literally antiques at this point.

[nmoore63]

Like, yes, stealth and sensor fusion is expensive and complex, and like all expensive complex military hardware, there are glitches, but reality check; if/when the Americans bring the F-35 against as a holistic force against the projected adversaries, it's gonna be ugly for those adversaries, the F-35 will pummel them with impunity.

When it happens, nobody is gonna be crying about the price of the F-35, it's gonna be Merica fuck yeah this, and Merica fuck yeah that, all over and up and down.

The F-35 will be incredible against anything.... until it actually matters.

[Smitty-48]

Like, yes, stealth and sensor fusion is expensive and complex, and like all expensive complex military hardware, there are glitches, but reality check; if/when the Americans bring the F-35 against as a holistic force against the projected adversaries, it's gonna be ugly for those adversaries, the F-35 will pummel them with impunity.

When it happens, nobody is gonna be crying about the price of the F-35, it's gonna be Merica fuck yeah this, and Merica fuck yeah that, all over and up and down.

The F-35 will be incredible against anything.... until it actually matters.

Ah well, there's plenty of Imperial Policing to be done between wars of Hegmonic Succession, not to mention cornering the market for the American Military Industrial Complex. Lockheed Martin shareholders, do of course approve.

[nmoore63]

Like, yes, stealth and sensor fusion is expensive and complex, and like all expensive complex military hardware, there are glitches, but reality check; if/when the Americans bring the F-35 against as a holistic force against the projected adversaries, it's gonna be ugly for those adversaries, the F-35 will pummel them with impunity.

When it happens, nobody is gonna be crying about the price of the F-35, it's gonna be Merica fuck yeah this, and Merica fuck yeah that, all over and up and down.

The F-35 will be incredible against anything.... until it actually matters.

Ah well, there's plenty of Imperial Policing to be done between wars of Hegmonic Succession, not to mention cornering the market for the American Military Industrial Complex. Lockheed Martin shareholders, do of course approve.

of all people on here, you really think I don’t profit from the MIC?

[Smitty-48]

The F-35 will be incredible against anything.... until it actually matters.

Ah well, there's plenty of Imperial Policing to be done between wars of Hegmonic Succession, not to mention cornering the market for the American Military Industrial Complex. Lockheed Martin shareholders, do of course approve.

of all people on here, you really think I don’t profit from the MIC?

Did I say that? I don't recall saying that.

[Hastur]

Multirole is the only logical way forward if you don't have unlimited money. That said it can sometimes be economic to keep existing platforms in a limited role until upkeep becomes unsustainable. The challenge is to resist the tendency to give in to nostalgia. Recognize when the time has come to stop throwing good money after bad. That is a hard decision to make for any business and for individuals as well. The sunk cost fallacy is the most common economic error we make as humans.