10 illegal alien farm workers arrested in MI

[SuburbanFarmer]

I'm pointing out the nonsense in the assertion that there aren't any Americans who want to be farmers.

You, being the anti-monsanto member, can't suddenly turn around and argue against them at the same time.

Pick one.

I would love to be a yeoman farmer. Hell, if you wiped out the Big Ag labor force, I’d soon be a wealthy man, just selling $20 carrots at the farm market. I mean, I still would be caught up in the whole economic collapse, but produce sales would be amazing.

I’ve been saying the same as MilSpecs for a long time now - you had better pray that Trump doesn’t find a way to actually follow through on deportation any time soon. If you stretch it out 10-20 years,maybe we find a solution, or the dollar can be resurrected enough for an American to survive at menial labor pay.

Until then, this is a Gordian Knot, and hitting it with a sword would be an incredibly bad idea.

Do you really think Americans would pay that much for carrots? Potatoes and corn and wheat are the only things Americans eat, because they can be processed in such that all nutritional content is removed. Immigrants go first, then the fatties get their hoverounds unplugged and left in the woods imo.

They wouldn't have a choice. You can't produce throwaway food while paying 10-15/hr for it to be picked.

[SuburbanFarmer]

That's always the sob story from the people who don't want to lose their slaves.

How will we afford it?

Never stopping once to address the morality of their defense. They'll throw moral attacks at you all day for opposing their immoral support for quasi-slave labor, but when they have to defend it, they jump right past the moral arguments, and go straight up utilitarianism.

Because there's no way to defend it morally. The same people who want a 20 dollar minimum wage for burger flippers kick and scream at the thought of having to pay a reasonable price for a head of lettuce.

It's asinine.

You're correct. We are side-stepping the morality of it, because the morality of it doesn't matter.

You can be noble and starve, or you can maintain the largest food infrastructure in history, because it's more moral to ALLOW people to make your food for a low wage, and not kill millions across the globe.

Any American can go to any farm right now, and get a job for minimum wage, picking food. They won't, they don't, and they can't. The economic distortion is too large. You can live nicely and support a family in Mexico for our minimum wage. You cannot do that in the US.

[Okeefenokee]

That's always the sob story from the people who don't want to lose their slaves.

How will we afford it?

Never stopping once to address the morality of their defense. They'll throw moral attacks at you all day for opposing their immoral support for quasi-slave labor, but when they have to defend it, they jump right past the moral arguments, and go straight up utilitarianism.

Because there's no way to defend it morally. The same people who want a 20 dollar minimum wage for burger flippers kick and scream at the thought of having to pay a reasonable price for a head of lettuce.

It's asinine.

You're correct. We are side-stepping the morality of it, because the morality of it doesn't matter.

You can be noble and starve, or you can maintain the largest food infrastructure in history, because it's more moral to ALLOW people to make your food for a low wage, and not kill millions across the globe.

Any American can go to any farm right now, and get a job for minimum wage, picking food. They won't, they don't, and they can't. The economic distortion is too large. You can live nicely and support a family in Mexico for our minimum wage. You cannot do that in the US.

Now he says we're doing it for everyone else.

This is our message to the world. We must continue slavery, for your sake. We're doing this for you.

this is clown show garbage. just admit you're selfish and cheap, and don't want to pay market value as long as you can exploit people. this ain't about people starving around the world.

[SuburbanFarmer]

That's always the sob story from the people who don't want to lose their slaves.

How will we afford it?

Never stopping once to address the morality of their defense. They'll throw moral attacks at you all day for opposing their immoral support for quasi-slave labor, but when they have to defend it, they jump right past the moral arguments, and go straight up utilitarianism.

Because there's no way to defend it morally. The same people who want a 20 dollar minimum wage for burger flippers kick and scream at the thought of having to pay a reasonable price for a head of lettuce.

It's asinine.

You're correct. We are side-stepping the morality of it, because the morality of it doesn't matter.

You can be noble and starve, or you can maintain the largest food infrastructure in history, because it's more moral to ALLOW people to make your food for a low wage, and not kill millions across the globe.

Any American can go to any farm right now, and get a job for minimum wage, picking food. They won't, they don't, and they can't. The economic distortion is too large. You can live nicely and support a family in Mexico for our minimum wage. You cannot do that in the US.

Now he says we're doing it for everyone else.

This is our message to the world. We must continue slavery, for your sake. We're doing this for you.

this is clown show garbage. just admit you're selfish and cheap, and don't want to pay market value as long as you can exploit people. this ain't about people starving around the world.

Regardless of your ignorance on the economic issue, I'll play in the moral sandbox with you for a minute.

How, in your learned opinion, is this "slavery"? The migrants are coming across the desert (and often dying) for a chance to take a job that's not filled by Americans. At what point were they forced or coerced to do so?

[Hastur]

If you stopped wasting food you could afford to pay the real price for it.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nat ... 320035001/

That is perhaps to put it ass backwards. If you had to pay the real price for food you would waste less of it.

[SuburbanFarmer]

If you stopped wasting food you could afford to pay the real price for it.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nat ... 320035001/

That is perhaps to put it ass backwards. If you had to pay the real price for food you would waste less of it.

Valid point. The shock of paying a higher price would certainly change the way we look at food.

Once we're done "freeing the slaves", perhaps we could address the real suffering in this factory system.







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[Hastur]

If you stopped wasting food you could afford to pay the real price for it.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nat ... 320035001/

That is perhaps to put it ass backwards. If you had to pay the real price for food you would waste less of it.

Valid point. The shock of paying a higher price would certainly change the way we look at food.

Once we're done "freeing the slaves", perhaps we could address the real suffering in this factory system.







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It's amazing we don't starve in Europe considering we pay a living wage to workers and don't torment animals that way.

[Martin Hash]

People in Europe can survive on sanctimony alone.

[SuburbanFarmer]

If you stopped wasting food you could afford to pay the real price for it.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nat ... 320035001/

That is perhaps to put it ass backwards. If you had to pay the real price for food you would waste less of it.

Valid point. The shock of paying a higher price would certainly change the way we look at food.

Once we're done "freeing the slaves", perhaps we could address the real suffering in this factory system.







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It's amazing we don't starve in Europe considering we pay a living wage to workers and don't torment animals that way.

I doubt it’s any different there. Of course, you do import a lot of our food, so it’s possible.

It’s also possible that your Ag gag laws are even more draconian than ours. I really don’t know.

[Montegriffo]

Valid point. The shock of paying a higher price would certainly change the way we look at food.

Once we're done "freeing the slaves", perhaps we could address the real suffering in this factory system.







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What the fuck are those pigs wearing? Never seen anything like that before.