Trump takes the fight to ISIS

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Re: Trump takes the fight to ISIS

Post by nmoore63 » Tue Nov 14, 2017 2:26 pm

Speaker to Animals wrote:
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Just. Come. Home.
Yes, BjornP, its worth it.

That's the kind of mentality that gave us ISIS.
Hahahahahahaha hahahaha

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Re: Trump takes the fight to ISIS

Post by Speaker to Animals » Tue Nov 14, 2017 2:28 pm

nmoore63 wrote:
Speaker to Animals wrote:
nmoore63 wrote:

Just. Come. Home.
Yes, BjornP, its worth it.

That's the kind of mentality that gave us ISIS.
Hahahahahahaha hahahaha

Laugh all you want. It's a fact, jack.

Obama obviously helped fund and arm what would become ISIS as well, but his withdrawing troops from Iraq and his (and Hillary's) support of the revolution in Syria is what made it possible. Create a vacuum and you get things like ISIS and AQ. Once those guys get a grip on a region, they will begin to export terror to the US and we will have to go right back there.

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Re: Trump takes the fight to ISIS

Post by nmoore63 » Tue Nov 14, 2017 2:32 pm

16 years we’ve spent trillions of $$$ blowing up sand over there...

Are there any less crazy Muslim fanatics now than there were in 2000?

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Re: Trump takes the fight to ISIS

Post by SuburbanFarmer » Tue Nov 14, 2017 2:38 pm

Speaker to Animals wrote:
nmoore63 wrote:
Speaker to Animals wrote:

That's the kind of mentality that gave us ISIS.
Hahahahahahaha hahahaha

Laugh all you want. It's a fact, jack.

Obama obviously helped fund and arm what would become ISIS as well, but his withdrawing troops from Iraq and his (and Hillary's) support of the revolution in Syria is what made it possible. Create a vacuum and you get things like ISIS and AQ. Once those guys get a grip on a region, they will begin to export terror to the US and we will have to go right back there.
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Re: Trump takes the fight to ISIS

Post by Speaker to Animals » Tue Nov 14, 2017 3:02 pm

nmoore63 wrote:16 years we’ve spent trillions of $$$ blowing up sand over there...

Are there any less crazy Muslim fanatics now than there were in 2000?

We left the region and ISIS filled the vacuum we created, Nick. Yes, the democrats also funded and armed what would become ISIS, but ISIS would have filled that vacuum with or without Obama's material assistance.

The mistake was Bush destabilizing Iraq in the first place. That mistake was amplified by Hillary Clinton destabilizing the entire region and creating the worst humanitarian crisis in modern history in conjunction with the worst demographic invasion of Europe since the collapse of the Roman empire.

Fighting ISIS is not a mistake. They would only have grown stronger and their attacks on our nations would only have increased in frequency and severity. The mistake was in allowing them to come into existence in the first place and, now that it was already done, we don't have the option to walk away without it getting even worse.

Furthermore, because of people like you, we now have a sizable population of jihadis and jihadist sympathizers. We can't just walk away from the region and seal our borders from them because our government has made hundreds of thousands of them citizens.

God dammit people like you need to wake the fuck up.

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Re: Trump takes the fight to ISIS

Post by nmoore63 » Tue Nov 14, 2017 3:21 pm

Speaker to Animals wrote:
nmoore63 wrote:16 years we’ve spent trillions of $$$ blowing up sand over there...

Are there any less crazy Muslim fanatics now than there were in 2000?

We left the region and ISIS filled the vacuum we created, Nick. Yes, the democrats also funded and armed what would become ISIS, but ISIS would have filled that vacuum with or without Obama's material assistance.

The mistake was Bush destabilizing Iraq in the first place. That mistake was amplified by Hillary Clinton destabilizing the entire region and creating the worst humanitarian crisis in modern history in conjunction with the worst demographic invasion of Europe since the collapse of the Roman empire.

Fighting ISIS is not a mistake. They would only have grown stronger and their attacks on our nations would only have increased in frequency and severity. The mistake was in allowing them to come into existence in the first place and, now that it was already done, we don't have the option to walk away without it getting even worse.

Furthermore, because of people like you, we now have a sizable population of jihadis and jihadist sympathizers. We can't just walk away from the region and seal our borders from them because our government has made hundreds of thousands of them citizens.

God dammit people like you need to wake the fuck up.
Fighting ISIS gets you no where in the great scheme of things.

It has nothing to do with not wanting to kill the crazy peoples, it has to do with the fact that it doesn't work.

After ISIS, the middle east is no where closer to anything.

Where next Yemen?
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/opinion/news/ ... d=11944061

Then where Niger and Mali?
http://www.businessinsider.com/r-why-ni ... ad-2017-11

Then where Uzbekistan?
http://time.com/5005629/new-york-attack ... zbekistan/

Then where, Burma?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/as ... story.html

Then where, Nigeria?
https://reliefweb.int/report/nigeria/ni ... boko-haram

It never stops. You can't win this way. Stop trying to "save" these people from themselves.

If their culture is in the race as you see it, how can you possibly win with military means in these places?
Unless of course your plan is Roman Peace, but there's not even a desert to make, its already there.

Offensive weaponry can't win this.

All our wealth and honor will be better spent on Walls in Arizona, Hospitals in West Virginia, and water pipes in Flint.

Just. Come. Home.

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Re: Trump takes the fight to ISIS

Post by Speaker to Animals » Tue Nov 14, 2017 4:13 pm

nmoore63 wrote:
Speaker to Animals wrote:
nmoore63 wrote:16 years we’ve spent trillions of $$$ blowing up sand over there...

Are there any less crazy Muslim fanatics now than there were in 2000?

We left the region and ISIS filled the vacuum we created, Nick. Yes, the democrats also funded and armed what would become ISIS, but ISIS would have filled that vacuum with or without Obama's material assistance.

The mistake was Bush destabilizing Iraq in the first place. That mistake was amplified by Hillary Clinton destabilizing the entire region and creating the worst humanitarian crisis in modern history in conjunction with the worst demographic invasion of Europe since the collapse of the Roman empire.

Fighting ISIS is not a mistake. They would only have grown stronger and their attacks on our nations would only have increased in frequency and severity. The mistake was in allowing them to come into existence in the first place and, now that it was already done, we don't have the option to walk away without it getting even worse.

Furthermore, because of people like you, we now have a sizable population of jihadis and jihadist sympathizers. We can't just walk away from the region and seal our borders from them because our government has made hundreds of thousands of them citizens.

God dammit people like you need to wake the fuck up.
Fighting ISIS gets you no where in the great scheme of things.

It has nothing to do with not wanting to kill the crazy peoples, it has to do with the fact that it doesn't work.

After ISIS, the middle east is no where closer to anything.

Where next Yemen?
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/opinion/news/ ... d=11944061

Then where Niger and Mali?
http://www.businessinsider.com/r-why-ni ... ad-2017-11

Then where Uzbekistan?
http://time.com/5005629/new-york-attack ... zbekistan/

Then where, Burma?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/as ... story.html

Then where, Nigeria?
https://reliefweb.int/report/nigeria/ni ... boko-haram

It never stops. You can't win this way. Stop trying to "save" these people from themselves.

If their culture is in the race as you see it, how can you possibly win with military means in these places?
Unless of course your plan is Roman Peace, but there's not even a desert to make, its already there.

Offensive weaponry can't win this.

All our wealth and honor will be better spent on Walls in Arizona, Hospitals in West Virginia, and water pipes in Flint.

Just. Come. Home.

Not fighting ISIS will get you more terror attacks.

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Re: Trump takes the fight to ISIS

Post by nmoore63 » Tue Nov 14, 2017 4:18 pm

Speaker to Animals wrote: Not fighting ISIS will get you more terror attacks.
Will it?

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Re: Trump takes the fight to ISIS

Post by Speaker to Animals » Tue Nov 14, 2017 4:21 pm

nmoore63 wrote:
Speaker to Animals wrote: Not fighting ISIS will get you more terror attacks.
Will it?

Who's been attacking everybody in the western world for the past two years, Buddhists??

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Re: Trump takes the fight to ISIS

Post by BjornP » Tue Nov 14, 2017 4:28 pm

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Not fighting ISIS will get you more terror attacks.
Al Queda did not need to hold any actual territory in order to launch terrorist attacks on the US and Europe. ISIS will keep on launching terrorist attacks after it loses its last territory. When the Iraqi and Syrian armies and militias take the last ISIS territory, ISIS will become like any other terrorist organization: A law enforcement challenge rather than a military challenge.
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