The 4th Turning - our current events

[Hanarchy Montanarchy]

it all ends up in the mushy middle somewhere, some trade, but not too much, some competition, but not too much, which, big whoop, nothing to get too excited about either way.

Nothing to get too excited about? This is pluralism and democracy in action, forging compromise, and arriving at a constantly fluctuating balancing act.

It is everything to get excited about!

Its just sort of hard to meme "some trade, but not too much, some competition, but not too much" so the wisdom of the position is overlooked.

Well it's nothing to get too excited about in a business sense, because the mushy middle is moribund, so yes, the sky is not going to fall, but at the same time, no, we're not going to become much more productive and efficient neither.

The purpose of Parliamentary Supremacy is to ensure a peaceful transfer of power, but that comes at the expense of getting anything significant done in the process, so actually the opposite of exciting, not saying it's a bad thing, as exciting is a double edged sword, careful what you wish for.

Oh, you mean exciting like a roller coaster, not exciting like 'rule of law and sufficient nutrition for the foreseeable future.'

[Speaker to Animals]

It's almost as if the globalists are already busy creating a lost cause myth to explain why they failed and why the majority of western electorates are rejecting their failed ideas.

Yeah, the massive increases in global wealth and decreases in global violence have been a total failure.

Decreases in global violence?? Lost cause myth fully engaged, apparently.

Most of the wealth that increased happened during the age of nationalism, guy.

[Smitty-48]

It's almost as if the globalists are already busy creating a lost cause myth to explain why they failed and why the majority of western electorates are rejecting their failed ideas.

Yeah, the massive increases in global wealth and decreases in global violence have been a total failure.

The Hegenomy stands until it doesn't, there was a massive increase in global wealth and decrease in global violence between 1815 and 1914 as well, then there was a hegemonic succession in the wake of the Franco-Prussian War.

Franco-Prussian hegemonic upheaval is not a viable option in the face of the hydrogen bomb, but that doesn't mean the Hegenomy cannot be undone by other means. Not voting mind you, it would still be hegemonic succession by force, it just wouldn't be imposed by rapid mobilization to railway schedules and effected by bigger, faster firing, longer ranged guns.

Bigger, faster firing, longer ranged guns are obsolete for a good reason after all, and the reason is that information warfare is exponentially more effective, Ultra is the ultimate weapon to date, even in the face of the hydrogen bomb, especially in the face of the hydrogen bomb in fact.

[Hanarchy Montanarchy]

It's almost as if the globalists are already busy creating a lost cause myth to explain why they failed and why the majority of western electorates are rejecting their failed ideas.

Yeah, the massive increases in global wealth and decreases in global violence have been a total failure.

Decreases in global violence?? Lost cause myth fully engaged, apparently.

Most of the wealth that increased happened during the age of nationalism, guy.

Nope, not even a little bit true. Your chance of dying a violent death has tanked since the last global war 70 years ago. I know you are super afraid all the time of everything, but rest assured, your chances of dying in a war or being murdered are vanishingly small.

And wealth has shot through the roof since we abandoned the absurd precious metal fantasy of value.

You may want things to be terrible, because it would justify your jeremiads, but it just ain't so.

[Hanarchy Montanarchy]

It's almost as if the globalists are already busy creating a lost cause myth to explain why they failed and why the majority of western electorates are rejecting their failed ideas.

Yeah, the massive increases in global wealth and decreases in global violence have been a total failure.

The Hegenomy stands until it doesn't, there was a massive increase in global wealth and decrease in global violence between 1815 and 1914 as well, then there was a hegemonic succession in the wake of the Franco-Prussian War.

Franco-Prussian hegemonic upheaval is not a viable option in the face of the hydrogen bomb, but that doesn't mean the Hegenomy cannot be undone by other means. Not voting mind you, it would still be hegemonic succession by force, it just wouldn't be imposed by rapid mobilization to railway schedules and effected by bigger, faster firing, longer ranged guns.

Bigger, faster firing, longer ranged guns are obsolete for a good reason after all, and the reason is that information warfare is exponentially more effective, Ultra is the ultimate weapon to date, even in the face of the hydrogen bomb, especially in the face of the hydrogen bomb in fact.

I don't actually care all that much who the hegemon is. But it will be a global hegemon either way, and global trade will continue. There is no Edenic pre-globalist fantasy to return to, even if we wanted it.

[Speaker to Animals]

Yeah, the massive increases in global wealth and decreases in global violence have been a total failure.

Decreases in global violence?? Lost cause myth fully engaged, apparently.

Most of the wealth that increased happened during the age of nationalism, guy.

Nope, not even a little bit true. Your chance of dying a violent death has tanked since the last global war 70 years ago. I know you are super afraid all the time of everything, but rest assured, your chances of dying in a war or being murdered are vanishingly small.

And wealth has shot through the roof since we abandoned the absurd precious metal fantasy of value.

You may want things to be terrible, because it would justify your jeremiads, but it just ain't so.

Whom do you mean by you? If you mean me personally, an American, okay, I'll grant you that (for now). But that's certainly not the case for most humans.

There's certainly a heart of darkness element lurking behind your utopian affirmations.

[Hanarchy Montanarchy]

Of course there are still places that are relatively more violent than others. Same as it has always been, and always will be.

[Smitty-48]

Yeah, the massive increases in global wealth and decreases in global violence have been a total failure.

The Hegenomy stands until it doesn't, there was a massive increase in global wealth and decrease in global violence between 1815 and 1914 as well, then there was a hegemonic succession in the wake of the Franco-Prussian War.

Franco-Prussian hegemonic upheaval is not a viable option in the face of the hydrogen bomb, but that doesn't mean the Hegenomy cannot be undone by other means. Not voting mind you, it would still be hegemonic succession by force, it just wouldn't be imposed by rapid mobilization to railway schedules and effected by bigger, faster firing, longer ranged guns.

Bigger, faster firing, longer ranged guns are obsolete for a good reason after all, and the reason is that information warfare is exponentially more effective, Ultra is the ultimate weapon to date, even in the face of the hydrogen bomb, especially in the face of the hydrogen bomb in fact.

I don't actually care all that much who the hegemon is. But it will be a global hegemon either way, and global trade will continue. There is no Edenic pre-globalist fantasy to return to, even if we wanted it.

There's no pre-globalist womb to return to, indeed, but I don't think there will be a single Hegemon in the wake of the American Hegemony, America has overthrown Westphalia once and for all time, so I predict that the next hegemonic order will not be led by Westphalian states at all. Mind you, all rumours of the fall of the American Hegenomy are greatly exaggerated, still has some considerable room to run on yet.

The hysterical clashing of the two Americas is actually just business as usual, Barack H. Wilson followed by Warren G. Trump, been here before, several times over.

[Speaker to Animals]

Of course there are still places that are relatively more violent than others. Same as it has always been, and always will be.

Heart of Darkness. Read it.

[Hanarchy Montanarchy]

The Hegenomy stands until it doesn't, there was a massive increase in global wealth and decrease in global violence between 1815 and 1914 as well, then there was a hegemonic succession in the wake of the Franco-Prussian War.

Franco-Prussian hegemonic upheaval is not a viable option in the face of the hydrogen bomb, but that doesn't mean the Hegenomy cannot be undone by other means. Not voting mind you, it would still be hegemonic succession by force, it just wouldn't be imposed by rapid mobilization to railway schedules and effected by bigger, faster firing, longer ranged guns.

Bigger, faster firing, longer ranged guns are obsolete for a good reason after all, and the reason is that information warfare is exponentially more effective, Ultra is the ultimate weapon to date, even in the face of the hydrogen bomb, especially in the face of the hydrogen bomb in fact.

I don't actually care all that much who the hegemon is. But it will be a global hegemon either way, and global trade will continue. There is no Edenic pre-globalist fantasy to return to, even if we wanted it.

There's no pre-globalist womb to return to, indeed, but I don't think there will be a single Hegemon in the wake of the American Hegemony, America has overthrown Westphalia once and for all time, so I predict that the next hegemonic order will not be led by a Westphalian states at all. Mind you, all rumours of the fall of the American Hegenomy are greatly exaggerated, still has some considerable room to run on yet.

The structure and influence of modern nation states will certainly change. Incidentally, this is why I think we should figure out ways to democratize private companies now, while democratic nation states are still a major player... but a lot of folks really don't like that idea. Either way, I can imagine it will be easy enough to thrive under a sort of techno-feudalism. I'm sure it will have draw backs and benefits, like anything else.