Russia! Russia!! Russia!!!

[Penner]

But Serbia was always allied with Russia- politically and culturally. And that goes back to the Medieval times to WWI when Russia was ready to fight for Serbia (sure Russia was probably doing if themselves but still....).

How close was Ukraine?

Let's not forget that actually even in West Ukraine they were OK with the Russians before this war.

Not as close as Siberia.

[TheReal_ND]

Basically, I trust Julian Assange more that I trust the DNC or RNC & their allies. Julian says it wasn't Russia, it wasn't Russia.

He's what intelligence call "a reliable source."

[kybkh]

Do we hack Chinese govt when possible? We'd be derelict if we didn't.

Put it that way, you are derelict.

Furthermore, I don't think the US has ever had the a) capability and b) the balls to start influencing just who is appointed to power in Communist China (now Taiwan or nationalist China might have been different). Or to try to influence just who gets the power in the Kremlin.

Nope, what you can only do is to give money and aid to some vibrant and opposition movement against that might even itself take power. The days of Kermit Roosevelt & friends being successfull in some Operation Ajax is long gone.

Putin has the witts and the balls to do it.

Nothing but conjecture.

We do this exact same shit. If you think it ended in Iran you don't have as good an understanding of US history as I thought you did.

Hell, what are we doing in Syria besides arming an insurgency against its native government because it's "in our national interest".

Look, you guys are on your own. I think Putin is a rational actor and can be dealt with. Are we ever going to let anyone get the edge on us? I certainly hope not. This shit is the biggest shell game in the world.

The kids napping and terrorist attack just ensure this gets more attention to distract the plebs.

[Penner]

Do we hack Chinese govt when possible? We'd be derelict if we didn't.

Put it that way, you are derelict.

Furthermore, I don't think the US has ever had the a) capability and b) the balls to start influencing just who is appointed to power in Communist China (now Taiwan or nationalist China might have been different). Or to try to influence just who gets the power in the Kremlin.

Nope, what you can only do is to give money and aid to some vibrant and opposition movement against that might even itself take power. The days of Kermit Roosevelt & friends being successfull in some Operation Ajax is long gone.

Putin has the witts and the balls to do it.

Nothing but conjecture.

We do this exact same shit. If you think it ended in Iran you don't have as good an understanding of US history as I thought you did.

Hell, what are we doing in Syria besides arming an insurgency against its native government because it's "in our national interest".

Look, you guys are on your own. I think Putin is a rational actor and can be dealt with. Are we ever going to let anyone get the edge on us? I certainly hope not. This shit is the biggest shell game in the world.

The kids napping and terrorist attack just ensure this gets more attention to distract the plebs.

Putin has gotten an edged on us- with this game, he got what he wanted and he is getting scot free as well. Plus, he has Crimea. Within a few weeks, he probably thinks he can do whatever the hell he wants without US sanctions with Trump and possibly Tillerson in the government.

At this point, I would probably say goodbye to Ukraine because Putin is probably going to annex the whole country and Trump probably just says, "oh, well".

[TheReal_ND]

Putin has gotten an edged

At least he hasn't an heroed.

[kybkh]

He can have Ukraine (doubt he wants it).

The American people got what they wanted, no Hillary Clinton.

That's the bottoms line.

[Penner]

He can have Ukraine (doubt he wants it).

The American people got what they wanted, no Hillary Clinton.

That's the bottoms line.

Technically, since Clinton won the popular vote, the American people still wanted Clinton over Trump. So, in the end the American people lost and so did America.

[kybkh]

Trump played by the rules and won. All this other shit is CYA from Obama to your momma.

They all hopped on the Hillary train in 2014, undercut Biden and Bernie, tried to run out the clock instead of pressing the flesh and had bad metrics.

None of that should surprise considering how the leader of that Shit show, the gullible Podesta, was to give out PW.

[Okeefenokee]

Not going to war with Russia over fucking Ukraine is not losing. That's fucking winning.

[TheReal_ND]

American people still wanted Clinton over Trump

You mean illegal immigrants and first generation Americans? Probably.