Europe, Boring Until it's Not

[BjornP]

You are not enemies with China, either, but they too are a greater threat to the continued existence of the US. Comes with having something as basic as, you know,..... armies, government, air forces and navies.

[StCapps]

You are not enemies with China, either, but they too are a greater threat to the continued existence of the US. Comes with having something as basic as, you know,..... armies, government, air forces and navies.

and the nukes at their disposal. Like I said to these wishful thinkers, come and talk to me Radical Islam has nukes and are theoretically capable of using them efficiently enough to wipe out Western Civilization as we know it, until then comparing them to Russia is asinine.

[Okeefenokee]

You are not enemies with China, either, but they too are a greater threat to the continued existence of the US. Comes with having something as basic as, you know,..... armies, government, air forces and navies.

Then you may want to take a note from Japan or South Korea. You know, nations that acknowledge the advantages of being protectorates. Nations that don't denigrate their protectors. Best of luck to you and your future Russian overlords.

Pro-tip. Don't continually disparage the only thing standing between you and speaking Russian. You might just find that.....oh wait. We have another call. We'll get back to you.

Bye.

[ssu]

It would be nice if Russian establishment wanted to be a US ally, but they don't and won't unless the situation changes drastically. The chances of the situation changing drastically in a way that leads to a US-Russian alliance anytime soon are not very likely at all. Just because I wish the situation were different does not make it so.

Think about it this way:

Assume that there would be a revolution in Iran and the Mullahs would be set aside in a discreet manner, and the new leadership would want better ties with the US and the West in general.

Ok, how would the US do that? Hug Iran and give the uh... non-existent spare parts to the F-14 Tomcats? Look at a new beginning with Iran?

Well, first obvious problem with that would be what Israel and the powerfull AIPAC would think about it. And then would be your Sunni allies, like Saudi-Arabia, which historically was quite jealous about the US-Imperial Iranian relation during the "Twin Pillars" time. Would Israel trust the new Iran. Would the Sunni states trust it?

Those would simply be things that the US would have to deal with. Israel surely wouldn't let the US just to start a honeymoon with Iran with it's relations left as they are now with Iran. It's the similar thing here: you cannot start the thing just looking at the two countries and totally forgetting everything else.

[StCapps]

You are not enemies with China, either, but they too are a greater threat to the continued existence of the US. Comes with having something as basic as, you know,..... armies, government, air forces and navies.

Then you may want to take a note from Japan or South Korea. You know, nations that acknowledge the advantages of being protectorates. Nations that don't denigrate their protectors. Best of luck to you and your future Russian overlords.

Pro-tip. Don't continually disparage the only thing standing between you and speaking Russian. You might just find that.....oh wait. We have another call. We'll get back to you.

Bye.

I'm not disparaging America by claiming they can't be friends with Russia, I'm disparaging the Russian establishment who need the threat of an American boogeyman to justify their control of the nation. Kind of hard to make nice with gangsters and get them to play by the rules, they are kind of notorious for not doing that if you don't have the force to make them and even then they aren't exactly the most loyal business partners.

[Okeefenokee]

It would be nice if Russian establishment wanted to be a US ally, but they don't and won't unless the situation changes drastically. The chances of the situation changing drastically in a way that leads to a US-Russian alliance anytime soon are not very likely at all. Just because I wish the situation were different does not make it so.

Think about it this way:

Assume that there would be a revolution in Iran and the Mullahs would be set aside in a discreet manner, and the new leadership would want better ties with you.

Ok, how would the US do that. Hug Iran and give the uh... non-existent spare parts to the F-14 Tomcats? Look at a new beginning with Iran.

Well, first obvious problem with that would be what Israel and the powerfull AIPAC would think about it. And then would be your Sunni allies, like Saudi-Arabia, which historically was quite jealous about the US-Imperial Iranian relation during the "Twin Pillars" time. Would Israel trust the new Iran. Would the Sunni states trust it?

Those would simply be things that the US would have to deal with. Israel surely wouldn't let the US just to start a honeymoon with Iran with it's relations left as they are now with Iran. It's the similar thing here: you cannot start the thing just looking at the two countries and totally forgetting everything else.

If you wanted to demonstrate you value over that of nations like Iran, it might have been better if you hadn't spent the last ten years talking shit about your would be protectors, eh?

Too late.

Long hair, don't care.

Learn Russian.

[Okeefenokee]

You want American protection?

Pay tribute or GTFO.

[StCapps]

You want American protection?

Pay tribute or GTFO.

Fair deal. However if y'all don't want to collect for an extended period of time then you can't blame us for taking advantage of that, wouldn't you if you were in our position? I mean that is kind of why Canada pushed for NATO to be formed in the first place, taking advantage of American muscle to serve our interests, what did you expect when you eased up on the leash that we wouldn't double down on that?

[ssu]

If you wanted to demonstrate you value over that of nations like Iran, it might have been better if you hadn't spent the last ten years talking shit about your would be protectors, eh?

Too late.

Long hair, don't care.

Learn Russian.

Yep, seems you don't get it.

Your understanding of how to handle Russians or basically to understand Russians in the first place isn't the strongest points. But when your World view is that countries are either your allies or at war with you, that is hardly surprising.

Stick to the domestic US scene. Wasn't it you that hoped that with Trump the media would be a watchdog (which they wouldn't be with Hillary). That thing has come to be, right?

[BjornP]

You are not enemies with China, either, but they too are a greater threat to the continued existence of the US. Comes with having something as basic as, you know,..... armies, government, air forces and navies.

Then you may want to take a note from Japan or South Korea. You know, nations that acknowledge the advantages of being protectorates. Nations that don't denigrate their protectors. Best of luck to you and your future Russian overlords.

Pro-tip. Don't continually disparage the only thing standing between you and speaking Russian. You might just find that.....oh wait. We have another call. We'll get back to you.

Bye.

Dude, what the fuck are you talking about? Who is "denigrating" you, when and how? And lol at "our protectors". From what? Russia? You think they will invade Europe and conquer us all the second you leave NATO?

My country has a long history of a mutually beneficial relations with pre-Soviet Russia. The EU as a whole, especially under German leadership would adapt to a better relationship with Russia. We face conflict with Russia for being allied with their greatest geopolitical rival, after all.