Europe, Boring Until it's Not

[Okeefenokee]

What American interests that lie outside of Russia's sphere are threatened by Russian interests?

Poland for one.

Explain to me how Poland is an American interest more than it is a Russian one?

[Speaker to Animals]

I disagree. I think we are at a turning point, and it could go in one of several different directions, a few of which involve all or part of what used to be the US aligned with Russia.

That was before the nukes. Post-nukes this is not possible unless you get Russia and the US to give up their nukes and we both know that is never going to happen.

Oh, it's possible. It might mean nuclear war, but don't imagine that everybody in America is against Russia in a nuclear exchange between the federal government and Russia. We could be in civil war and most of the territory of the United States aligned with Russia against the federal government. It's a low probability, but it's not nearly as much of a low probability as it was only a few years ago. We really do seem to be advancing towards some kind of break-up. If the federal government tries to use violence a second time, I think Russia might get involved because of all the shady things that federal government is up to overseas.

[StCapps]

What American interests that lie outside of Russia's sphere are threatened by Russian interests?

Poland for one.

Explain to me how Poland is an American interest more than it is a Russian one?

Without Poland it's a lot harder to take out Russia's nukes quick enough to prevent a counter-force retaliation. It's important to both sides of the nuclear chessboard in the European theater, but you already know that.

[Speaker to Animals]

LOL, what?

The Earth is a sphere, dude.

North America is right fucking there next to Russia.

[StCapps]

I disagree. I think we are at a turning point, and it could go in one of several different directions, a few of which involve all or part of what used to be the US aligned with Russia.

That was before the nukes. Post-nukes this is not possible unless you get Russia and the US to give up their nukes and we both know that is never going to happen.

Oh, it's possible. It might mean nuclear war, but don't imagine that everybody in America is against Russia in a nuclear exchange between the federal government and Russia. We could be in civil war and most of the territory of the United States aligned with Russia against the federal government. It's a low probability, but it's not nearly as much of a low probability as it was only a few years ago. We really do seem to be advancing towards some kind of break-up. If the federal government tries to use violence a second time, I think Russia might get involved because of all the shady things that federal government is up to overseas.

Civil war in the US is required to make your scenario of US-Russia alliance come to pass? That doesn't sounds like a good thing for America at all, yet you think a US-Russia alliance is so important that it's worth fighting a civil war over? I don't think many Americans would think that a plan worth signing on to.

[StCapps]

LOL, what?

The Earth is a sphere, dude.

North America is right fucking there next to Russia.

Poland is even closer to many targets of major importance. The faster you can nuke their nukes the better your odds in any theoretical nuclear war with Russia.

Speed is victory.
Giving up Poland to Russia slows the US down and speeds up the Russians.

[Speaker to Animals]

That was before the nukes. Post-nukes this is not possible unless you get Russia and the US to give up their nukes and we both know that is never going to happen.

Oh, it's possible. It might mean nuclear war, but don't imagine that everybody in America is against Russia in a nuclear exchange between the federal government and Russia. We could be in civil war and most of the territory of the United States aligned with Russia against the federal government. It's a low probability, but it's not nearly as much of a low probability as it was only a few years ago. We really do seem to be advancing towards some kind of break-up. If the federal government tries to use violence a second time, I think Russia might get involved because of all the shady things that federal government is up to overseas.

Civil war in the US is required to make your scenario of US-Russia alliance come to pass? That doesn't sounds like a good thing for America at all, yet you think a US-Russia alliance is so important that it's worth fighting a civil war over? I don't think many Americans would think that a plan worth signing on to.

Oh, it's not the only one.

Jihadi Tet Offensive in Europe could bring it about. The war with Islam is coming as well.

[Speaker to Animals]

LOL, what?

The Earth is a sphere, dude.

North America is right fucking there next to Russia.

Poland is even closer to targets of major importance. The faster you can nuke their nukes the better your odds in any theoretical nuclear war with Russia.

Speed is victory.

Poland does not host any nuclear missiles, capps, and it really wouldn't make much of a difference. We have SLBMs to do what you just said. So does Russia..

[StCapps]

Oh, it's possible. It might mean nuclear war, but don't imagine that everybody in America is against Russia in a nuclear exchange between the federal government and Russia. We could be in civil war and most of the territory of the United States aligned with Russia against the federal government. It's a low probability, but it's not nearly as much of a low probability as it was only a few years ago. We really do seem to be advancing towards some kind of break-up. If the federal government tries to use violence a second time, I think Russia might get involved because of all the shady things that federal government is up to overseas.

Civil war in the US is required to make your scenario of US-Russia alliance come to pass? That doesn't sounds like a good thing for America at all, yet you think a US-Russia alliance is so important that it's worth fighting a civil war over? I don't think many Americans would think that a plan worth signing on to.

Oh, it's not the only one.

Jihadi Tet Offensive in Europe could bring it about. The war with Islam is coming as well.

Alright well if either of those things happen then come and talk to me. Until then stop talking about as if it's inevitable when it takes an absolutely massive change on the geopolitical stage for those scenarios to come to pass. Even in this Jihadi offensive in Europe scenario you envision, that would merely put Cold War 2.0 on hold temporarily as both sides would be scrambling to position themselves for Cold War 2.0 in the aftermath of victory over these European invaders.

Don't sleep on Russia, as long as they are a major nuclear power you can never be more than temporary allies in times of crisis, or the US breaks up as a political entity. Don't sleep on China either.

[Speaker to Animals]

That's what they said when I first showed up to college out of the military and tried to explain to my communist professor (not hyperbole) that we needed to maintain the defense budget because it was only a matter of time before we were dragged into wars in Iraq and Afghanistan (Bin Laden).

I don't know what to tell you, man. That we are headed towards a war with Islam seems pretty obvious to me. I am not sure if the US is going to split up, but it's looking more possible as time marches on.