How's that Obamacare Repeal Working Out For You?

[Speaker to Animals]

How is that even in question? Offshoring 101 material.

Dude, I think they know they are wrong. They are just too big of an asshole to admit it.

[brewster]

LMFAO

It definitely makes a difference. Businesses don't care how the government taxes their employee's income.

That's delusional thinking. If a worker needs something to live and it needs to be paid for, it makes no difference where along the line it gets taken out. The difference between a worker getting healthcare from his employer, money explicitly for healthcare withheld and purchased for him by his employer, or getting paid money to buy healthcare is not materialy different to the bottom line. A business model where the employees do not get paid enough to buy insurance is something else again.

[Okeefenokee]

LMFAO

It definitely makes a difference. Businesses don't care how the government taxes their employee's income.

That's delusional thinking. If a worker needs something to live and it needs to be paid for, it makes no difference where along the line it gets taken out. The difference between a worker getting healthcare from his employer, money explicitly for healthcare withheld and purchased for him by his employer, or getting paid money to buy healthcare is not materialy different to the bottom line. A business model where the employees do not get paid enough to buy insurance is something else again.

don't open a business until you take some classes.

[Martin Hash]

There are lots of jobs that aren't worth paying a "living" wage for. You end up with trash everywhere, broke down stuff, wasteage, and a general disdain for frugality. The solution is Working Welfare, not Minimum Wage.

[Fife]

What's "Working Welfare" as used in that post?

[Martin Hash]

What's "Working Welfare" as used in that post?

The State fills in the gap. "Workfare"

[Speaker to Animals]

Make workfare into a space colonization program and I am onboard.

[Fife]

What's "Working Welfare" as used in that post?

The State fills in the gap. "Workfare"

So just more Keynesian hooey. OK, if I'm missing the punchline as "let's just drink ourselves sober," let me know.

[brewster]

LMFAO

It definitely makes a difference. Businesses don't care how the government taxes their employee's income.

That's delusional thinking. If a worker needs something to live and it needs to be paid for, it makes no difference where along the line it gets taken out. The difference between a worker getting healthcare from his employer, money explicitly for healthcare withheld and purchased for him by his employer, or getting paid money to buy healthcare is not materialy different to the bottom line. A business model where the employees do not get paid enough to buy insurance is something else again.

don't open a business until you take some classes.

I've been in business for 35 years, currently have 2 businesses, and have done quite well thank you, by not engaging in delusional bookkeeping. An expense is an expense.

Why don't YOU explain how it makes a bottom line difference whether an employer provides insurance or includes the cost in the salary. Usually it's cheaper to for the employer to buy the group insurance. What was really disgusting was when buying your own was not tax deductible but was a deductible for the employer, I think that's gone now.

[Okeefenokee]

That's delusional thinking. If a worker needs something to live and it needs to be paid for, it makes no difference where along the line it gets taken out. The difference between a worker getting healthcare from his employer, money explicitly for healthcare withheld and purchased for him by his employer, or getting paid money to buy healthcare is not materialy different to the bottom line. A business model where the employees do not get paid enough to buy insurance is something else again.

don't open a business until you take some classes.

I've been in business for 35 years, currently have 2 businesses, and have done quite well thank you, by not engaging in delusional bookkeeping. An expense is an expense.

Why don't YOU explain how it makes a bottom line difference whether an employer provides insurance or includes the cost in the salary. Usually it's cheaper to for the employer to buy the group insurance. What was really disgusting was when buying your own was not tax deductible but was a deductible for the employer, I think that's gone now.

that's not the argument. not at all. you're deflecting now.

the argument is requirement versus no requirement, and you know it. this version A or B of requirement shit you cooked up is nonsense.