Another School Shooting

[kybkh]

You guys talking bout social break down and shit?

It's just bad parenting.

Absentee or bad fathers do not demonstrate the proper behavior to these kids.

Not one shooter I am aware of came from a home that I would consider of good parenting.

What, you think parenting isn't related to social cohesion?
If you have a strong community you have better parenting.
Parents nowadays are stressed to the breaking point... Who has their back?
Not their families... that are often miles away, not their neighbours, that they hardly know, not their employers... they change constantly.
Not even their spouses... marital breakdown is practically the norm.

And you expect great parenting?

Individuals have the ability to choose under what circumstances to become parents. If they are in an unsustainable situation, they shouldn't have children.

I waited until I was 30 to have children because I did not want to be in a position of financial stress while I was being a parent.

Too many people have children without fear of consequence because we enable them as a society through social welfare programs and the normalizing of degenerate behavior.

We can make excuses for everyone to do everything Doc. Now you are excusing bad parenting?

[DrYouth]

Individuals have the ability to choose under what circumstances to become parents. If they are in an unsustainable situation, they shouldn't have children.

I waited until I was 30 to have children because I did not want to be in a position of financial stress while I was being a parent.

Too many people have children without fear of consequence because we enable them as a society through social welfare programs and the normalizing of degenerate behavior.

Oh I get it...

The individual bears the responsibility...

Sure... they should take responsibility... give them as much as they can handle.

And yet societal change is the biggest variable of change.
Individuals haven't changed that much. Same DNA for the most part. Same neuroanatomy.

What's changed is society... and the pace of change ain't slowing up.

[kybkh]

So as we become less "individualistic" how're things going for us?

Everything in tip-top condition here in Socialist America? People making good and thoughtful choices and all?? Everyone have a good sense of the consequences of our decisions???

Mate, you are the enabler of degeneracy. While harsh, slut shaming serves a very useful purpose in our society. Going hungry serves a purpose, having to stand in a bread line serves a purpose.

Living on only government subsidies while popping out kids whom you poorly parent not only is purposeless, it cost society a great amount of resources.

[MilSpecs]

Agreed, but I was thinking more of things people are born with rather than caused solely by stress. Autoimmune diseases that manifest in early childhood, reproductive disorders, structural defects, schizophrenia, even the increase in things like children 'born without consciences.' If it was just societal then we wouldn't see it elsewhere as well. Societies with longstanding strong family ties are experiencing similar problems. I know an endocrinologist who suspects that the chemicals we dumped into our environment and our bodies are at least partially to blame, because of the surge in autoimmune diseases all over the world.

Technological change is affecting societies globally.
The developing world is seeing the fastest changes at this point in time.
The western world is experiencing the chronic effects of social thinning.
Risk factors for schizophrenia have always included urban living and immigration...
Chronic stress has physical manifestations....

Pollution and environmental contamination don't help... of course, and certainly are "partially" to blame... areas with high toxic exposure are at greater risk.... but I think we have been focussing on these exclusively because the societal factors are too difficult to address.
Easier to ban a few chemicals.

Much to think about
I have to read Bowling Alone

[MilSpecs]

So as we become less "individualistic" how're things going for us?

Everything in tip-top condition here in Socialist America? People making good and thoughtful choices and all?? Everyone have a good sense of the consequences of our decisions???

Mate, you are the enabler of degeneracy. While harsh, slut shaming serves a very useful purpose in our society. Going hungry serves a purpose, having to stand in a bread line serves a purpose.

Living on only government subsidies while popping out kids whom you poorly parent not only is purposeless, it cost society a great amount of resources.

You seem to be saying two different, contradictory things. Individualism isn't very compatible with small populations. The freedom you want didn't exist in the historical small town filled with related people. Am I missing something?

[kybkh]

So as we become less "individualistic" how're things going for us?

Everything in tip-top condition here in Socialist America? People making good and thoughtful choices and all?? Everyone have a good sense of the consequences of our decisions???

Mate, you are the enabler of degeneracy. While harsh, slut shaming serves a very useful purpose in our society. Going hungry serves a purpose, having to stand in a bread line serves a purpose.

Living on only government subsidies while popping out kids whom you poorly parent not only is purposeless, it cost society a great amount of resources.

You seem to be saying two different, contradictory things. Individualism isn't very compatible with small populations. The freedom you want didn't exist in the historical small town filled with related people. Am I missing something?

The social welfare state did not exist in the past as it does today.

By being afforded the ability to rely solely on the Federal Government as opposed to one's self or local community (local carries greater cost to the individual) we are removing any social and/or financial obligation individuals may feel in providing adequately for themselves, their families and their communities.

Right now an individual can say "I had a single mom who worked all the time and didn't get the attention I deserve so I am going to get knocked up by someone so they have to marry me and if they decide not to marry me I can just file for social welfare programs and not feel guilty at all" for whatever excuse society will afford for their personal failure.

Individuals are also able to say "why the fuck should I care about bad schools, I pay my taxes thereby fulfilling any obligation to give a fuck".

[SuburbanFarmer]

Well, there it is. The fabled white nationalist school shooter. I was told this can’t happen.

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-02- ... cist-group

[Montegriffo]

Well, there it is. The fabled white nationalist school shooter. I was told this can’t happen.

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-02- ... cist-group

The news here has been saying he trained with a white nationalist militia.

[GloryofGreece]

I feel like we keep missing the point.

Something is clearly causing the need or desire for these medications. I'm not a doctor but autoimmune and endocrine problems have greatly increased over the generations. Something is going on and it might behoove us to find the cause(s).

Depression is a state of inhibition which is caused by chronic stress...
Autoimmune and endocrine problems are physical ailments which are also the result of chronic stress.
The biggest change in the modern world in my opinion is the breakdown of social ties. Social ties buffer stress. Without them we are more vulnerable to stress.

Robert B Putnam's book Bowling Alone, I believe captured it best....
We have less and less community engagement and participation. We have less and less trusted face to face relationships.
These are the consequences of increased interpersonal change that have come with the industrial and now the digital age.
Consider the change in your neighbourhoods in the past 10 years... how many times to people relocate in the modern world.
My kids classmates change every year.

It was not long ago that people grew up in the same village as their ancestors most of the time.
People maintained the ties of community throughout their lifespans as the rule rather than the exception.
I have no idea how this can be rolled back. Technological change isn't slowing down any time soon and Facebook and Twitter aren't going to save the day.

Neither are the bots.

If what most of what you're saying is true, then wouldn't a competent answer for the individual above be to checkout of the suburbs/city and go live with extended kin in a compound somewhere in a rural setting preferably, Home school, garden, walk in nature, hunt/fish, and make an income some how that mitigates the interactions you have with the outside world. In other words, if society is sick. Leave it.

[kybkh]

Fake News...

Local law enforcement sources have not found a connection between accused Parkland school shooter Nikolas Cruz and a Tallahassee-based paramilitary group...Hours after news outlets around the nation reported Cruz's alleged ties, Leon County Sheriff’s Office spokesman Lt. Grady Jordan told the Tallahassee Democrat investigative work did not yield any connections.

“We are still doing some work but we have no known ties between the ROF, Jordan Jereb or the Broward shooter,” Jordan said.

http://www.tallahassee.com/story/news/2 ... 341751002/