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by Okeefenokee » Fri Nov 03, 2017 6:52 pm
Kath wrote:StCapps wrote:Robin Hood Economics, not the way to run an efficient economy.
/shrugs
So, explain your tax plan, genius. The poorest person in the country should pony up exactly as much as the wealthiest?
Of course not. No one said that but you.
What we're saying is the people who spend their careers footing far more than their individual share shouldn't be shaken down at their funeral with their kids watching. Tax as much as you can get away with while they're alive. Once they're dead, move on.
Taxing dead people because you envy their children is lower than despicable.
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by Okeefenokee » Fri Nov 03, 2017 6:54 pm
Kath wrote:StCapps wrote:A rising tide lifts all boats, something socialist do not understand, they think taking from the rich and giving to the poor, is a superior economic policy, it isn't, not a zero sum game.
Look at all those boats being lifted!
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics ... tion-chart
More envy. No one got poorer. Everyone got richer.
but fuck those people who made more than me. take they shit they rich.
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by Okeefenokee » Fri Nov 03, 2017 7:00 pm
Kath wrote:StCapps wrote: the aristocracy plan for the long term and are more set in their ways.
Maybe your queen plans long term, but not here. Corporations shoot for short term profits. Who owns the corporations? Not the proles.
If the aristocracy didn't want to destroy the middle class, they wouldn't be destroying it. This isn't hard.
Horseshit. Corporations want long term stability and a reliable economic environment going forward.
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by Okeefenokee » Fri Nov 03, 2017 7:01 pm
Kath wrote:StCapps wrote:Blame America, not just it's politicians and special interests, but the electorate too. If you already do, cool, if not, whatever helps you sleep at night.
/shrugs
I completely blame the proles for continuing to put these asshats back in office, term after term after term.
It would be better if they didn't vote.
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by Okeefenokee » Fri Nov 03, 2017 7:03 pm
StCapps wrote:Kath wrote:StCapps wrote:Blame America, not just it's politicians and special interests, but the electorate too. If you already do, cool, if not, whatever helps you sleep at night.
/shrugs
I completely blame the proles for continuing to put these asshats back in office, term after term after term.
Then why are you saying none of them voted for that stuff, they clearly did, it wasn't just the aristocracy voting for that stuff, they had mad allies, many of whom voted against their own interests. Some folks just be jealous and lashing out at the aristocracy for being better about voting in it's own interests, which is not really productive, perhaps the solution is for the lower classes to get it's shit together when it comes to voting in it's own interests, and not get tricked into thinking the best way to do that is with Robin Hood Economics. Now there's an idea.
Proles don't have a say in aristocratic societies.
Definition of aristocracy
plural aristocracies
1 :government by the best individuals or by a small privileged class
2 a :a government in which power is vested (see 2vest 1a) in a minority consisting of those believed to be best qualified
b :a state with such a government
3 :a governing body or upper class usually made up of a hereditary nobility a member of the British aristocracy
4 :a class or group of people believed to be superior (as in rank, wealth, or intellect) an intellectual aristocracy
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by Okeefenokee » Fri Nov 03, 2017 7:05 pm
Martin Hash wrote:PartyOf5 wrote:An inheritance tax is a double-dip taxation on the same money. It either already got taxed, or will be taxed when those that inherited the money are required to pull it out of pre-tax accounts (minimum distribution).
The point isn't about fairness, it's about stopping the creation of an aristocracy. Just accept the fact that you prefer an aristocracy over liberty, because this ends in socialism, and we'll call it a draw.
Your false dichotomy arguments are boring and old.
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by Okeefenokee » Fri Nov 03, 2017 7:06 pm
Hanarchy Montanarchy wrote:Kath wrote:But, the system is rigged and it's rigged by the people with the most, to benefit the people with the most.
To say that the system is rigged to benefit those with the most assumes that benefiting those with the most isn't baked into the cake of civilization.
If you ask me, Oligarchy is the only type of government that works, which is fine by me, I just want the Oligarchs to pay for it.
They do.
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by StCapps » Fri Nov 03, 2017 7:07 pm
Okeefenokee wrote:Proles don't have a say in aristocratic societies.
Definition of aristocracy
plural aristocracies
1 :government by the best individuals or by a small privileged class
2 a :a government in which power is vested (see 2vest 1a) in a minority consisting of those believed to be best qualified
b :a state with such a government
3 :a governing body or upper class usually made up of a hereditary nobility a member of the British aristocracy
4 :a class or group of people believed to be superior (as in rank, wealth, or intellect) an intellectual aristocracy
What in the definition above leads you to believe the proles can't have a say? Get some reading comprehension, that isn't ruled out at all.
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by Okeefenokee » Fri Nov 03, 2017 7:08 pm
Kath wrote:StCapps wrote:
Lets not lift up the lower classes and the middle classes, let's tear down the rich instead, that's the best way to run an economy.
The problem is the bottom boats are not rising. The 1% have had triple digit increases since the Reagan years, but the middle class and poor class have not. Rising water may lift all boats, but rising profits doesn't lift all people.
Poor people have internet, air conditioning, and smart phones with unlimited data plans.
Poor people aren't rising my fucking ass.
You don't know shit about being poor.
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by Okeefenokee » Fri Nov 03, 2017 7:17 pm
Kath wrote:StCapps wrote:Well yeah obviously taxing the rich less and lower and middle classes more is terrible solution that will create more inequality, everyone knows that.
Ahem. I'll just leave the OP right here and you'll see what I'm arguing against.
Martin Hash wrote:Trump's tax plan makes no sense at all. Way too much energy for nothing. And the worst: Middle Americans can no longer write off State taxes, and the lowest tax bracket has been RAISED to 12%. The BIG winners: super-wealthy families that no longer have to pay Inheritance taxes. It seems to me this whole fiasco was to get rid of Inheritance taxes. Talk about the power of the aristocracy: the poorest & Middle Class have their taxes INCREASED while the 1% establish dynasties.
I knew you fucks were being disingenuous. Fucking dishonest hacks.
Take a look at that and tell me what also changed about the lowest tax bracket.
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