Obama's Parting Gifts

[Speaker to Animals]

Why are the Marxists here so afraid/upset to embrace the name?

???

Why are the Fascist supporters of Trump here so afraid to embrace their name?

Deeeeeeerrrrrrrh....



Maybe because most of you idiots use the word like a kid wearing a Che shirt uses the word "Fascist"? That's why "us Marxists" (Yup, it's Marxist to disagree with morons who are too lazy to use dictionaries. ).

Last I checked, the guy sitting on the fence with fascism who is a Trump supporter openly admitted as much.

[TheReal_ND]

Well I'd also like a defacto white ethno state but for now I'll have to settle for Herr Trumpenfuhrer to build a wall and deport them all.

[Speaker to Animals]

If I really wanted ethnonationalist fascist government, then I would have supported Hillary Clinton and more of these marxist and globalist policies. The end result of that is going to be a takeover. That's usually how fascism happens.

Trump was more of a triage. It was weird that white nationalists would have supported him given that they could have it all in the chaos that follows what awaited us at the end of the marxist regime.

[BjornP]

You can redefine the word marxism however you wish, Bjorn. It doesn't change the fact that we are talking about people like you. We are talking about the kinds of policies that have ruined western civilization over the past few generations.

Again, rename it to whatever you want. The name doesn't matter. We are still talking about the same thing, and it stinks.

lol ""Rename". What I am doing is define it for you children who insist that common dictionary definitions of Communism and Marxism hurt your feelz and so you won't use them.

Don't get triggered now, diaper boys:

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/Marxism

But hey, "people like me", huh? Care to point to even a single quote by me that defends open borders, free immigration, or Communist ideals like abolishing private ownership of means of prodution, oppressing religion, or how about encouraging all working class people to unite against the elites.... oh wait, that was Trump.

[TheReal_ND]

If I really wanted ethnonationalist fascist government, then I would have supported Hillary Clinton and more of these marxist and globalist policies. The end result of that is going to be a takeover. That's usually how fascism happens.

Trump was more of a triage. It was weird that white nationalists would have supported him given that they could have it all in the chaos that follows what awaited us at the end of the marxist regime.

Some idiots argued along that line of logic. Nobody likes black pilled faggots.

[Speaker to Animals]

the political, economic, and social principles and policies advocated by Marx; especially : a theory and practice of socialism (see socialism 3) including the labor theory of value, dialectical materialism, the class struggle, and dictatorship of the proletariat until the establishment of a classless society

I.e. dividing the world up into oppressor and victim classes and waging cultural or real wars on the people you identified as the "oppressors" for the benefit of "social and economic justice". Equality of outcomes instead of equality.

Again, call it whatever the fuck you want to call it. You know what I am talking about.

[BjornP]

Why are the Marxists here so afraid/upset to embrace the name?

???

Why are the Fascist supporters of Trump here so afraid to embrace their name?

Deeeeeeerrrrrrrh....



Maybe because most of you idiots use the word like a kid wearing a Che shirt uses the word "Fascist"? That's why "us Marxists" (Yup, it's Marxist to disagree with morons who are too lazy to use dictionaries. ).

Last I checked, the guy sitting on the fence with fascism who is a Trump supporter openly admitted as much.

And nuke actually understand what it means. Wasn't him I was talking about anyway, unless every Trump supporter including yourself want to accept that you're a Fascist, too because someone who can't tell Conservative apart from Fascist calls you a Fascist. If, you think leftists calling Conservatives Fascists is pathetic and stupid, and more a thing of them fearfully hyperventilating about viewpoints they cannot understand, welcome to what I am doing right now with you.

I have no problem being called a Socialist, given Social Democrats are still that. But Marxist implies a dogmatic adherence to Marx. That means no capitalism, no private ownership of the means of production, religion is banned or restricted and only the ideological elite are allowed to lead society untill utopia manifests itself in a classless society and everybody dances gaily amongst the daffodils. Personally I dislike Marx as simply another elitist telling the poor about their problems as if he understood them. Observable reality demonstrates that European Social Democrats are not in the business of a one-party state, nationalizing all businesses and banning religion. Some of them have those progressive ideals you get amongst your PC progressives, but your PC progressives aren't Marxists. They're mostly aristocrats showing off to other aristocrats their latest unique, ethnic armbands... as in an ethnic guy they paid to wrap themselves around their arms. What you call virtue signalling. It's what aristocracy has been doing for millenia.

[TheReal_ND]

unless every Trump supporter including yourself want to accept that you're a Fascist

Well that's kind of how it goes for some people. Get called a racist fascist enough and you start to say "fuck it. I'm a racist fascist." Then you start to look at those ideas objectively and sometimes you decide they actually aren't all that bad perhaps.

But anyway, I agree he needs to come up with a better catch all than Marxist and have told him as much. We just don't agree on that issue.

[BjornP]

the political, economic, and social principles and policies advocated by Marx; especially : a theory and practice of socialism (see socialism 3) including the labor theory of value, dialectical materialism, the class struggle, and dictatorship of the proletariat until the establishment of a classless society

I.e. dividing the world up into oppressor and victim classes and waging cultural or real wars on the people you identified as the "oppressors" for the benefit of "social and economic justice". Equality of outcomes instead of equality.

Again, call it whatever the fuck you want to call it. You know what I am talking about.

From that perspective, you are a Marxist. I reject the victim mentality way more than you do and always have.

See... I do know what you are talking about. I just know that it's not Marxism. You need a word for it, I get it. And Marxism is scary. I get that, too. Like "Racism", to SJW's. The only "culture war" Marx would have cared about was class war and the difference between SJW's ideology and what actual Communists would advocate is that victimization is the method, goal and desired status quo of the sorts of people that include SJW's. When people pretend that white people in America are threatened, or when you pretend that Christians in America are oppresed, you're doing the same. I know Communists, have debated with them on Danish left-leaning forums for years. Old-school, Soviet-supporting ones. They did'nt, nor don't, advocate playing the victim. They advocate revolution as they've always done.

You got the following trends to blame for the victimization mentality in the US, I believe:

1) Lawyers. Making it more and more profitable to claim victimhood to make a buck. That's the economic incentive everyone can relate to.
2) The "Soft bigotry of low expectations" surrounding black people by guilt-riddenwhite people.
3 ) Ever increasing, to the point of irrational need for stability and security.
4 ) A notion that people have a right to be heard. Not simply speak, but heard.
5 ) The popular interpretation of "social contructs" as "artificial" and unimportant. Leads to people deciding that everything in society not just can, but should be "deconstructed"... Leads eventually to words like "racism" and "marxism" losing their original meaning.

[Martin Hash]

Nice list. (I love me a good list.)

You forgot "everyone seeks control." Victimization is a VERY effective means of grabbing the microphone & forcing people to submit. It leverages ingrained courtesy & timidity.