Degenerate Faggots Starting Civil War2.0

[Xenophon]

Here's some light brawling for you.





What does light mean to you? I'm guessing under 5,000 people.

The state can arrest violent protesters. That is what they can do. They haven't been doing that in some of the most high profile protests in the country. I think they are beginning to push back because of all of the bad publicity. Berkeley is a hellhole with a mayor who is a part of BAMN. I suspect things will continue to escalate there as more people are victimized by this group.

I can't really see what happens in the second video, but I will say this about the first.

The head and face bleed a lot from relatively light contact. It is one of the main reasons for MMA gloves and the like. (Ironically, they allow you to punch harder, doing more serious damage, but people are okay with that because we reflexively assume more blood means more danger, which isn't always true.) Tossing something from the crowd is a TOTAL bitch move... but that counts as light brawling, the amount of blood is deceptive.

And don't get me wrong... I don't mind people who break the law at a protest being arrested. Don't participate in civil disobedience if you are unwilling to get a record.

However, I don't think preemptive crackdowns are a good idea at all.

It's not civil disobedience if violence is involved, sir.

Civil Disobedience
1.
the refusal to obey certain laws or governmental demands for the purpose of influencing legislation or government policy, characterized by the employment of such nonviolent techniques as boycotting, picketing, and nonpayment of taxes.
Compare noncooperation (def 2), passive resistance.
2.
(initial capital letters, italics) an essay (1848) by Thoreau.

[Hanarchy Montanarchy]

It's not civil disobedience if violence is involved, sir.

Civil Disobedience
1.
the refusal to obey certain laws or governmental demands for the purpose of influencing legislation or government policy, characterized by the employment of such nonviolent techniques as boycotting, picketing, and nonpayment of taxes.
Compare noncooperation (def 2), passive resistance.
2.
(initial capital letters, italics) an essay (1848) by Thoreau.

It isn't passive resistance if violence is involved, which is typically what people support when they talk about civil disobedience.

Breaking the law as a matter of conscience (which is what these people believe they are doing, at least) could always be broadly called civil disobedience.

Even if you don't accept that definition, the larger question is about what preemptive steps should the state be taking to curtail free assembly out of the fear that some moderate violence may occur?

Should people who disagree not be allowed to congregate in the same areas? That doesn't seem right.

Should riot cops come bashing in anytime things get about as rough as your average mosh pit? Seems pointless and a waste of resources, and a potential disaster.

[Ex-California]

It's not civil disobedience if violence is involved, sir.

Civil Disobedience
1.
the refusal to obey certain laws or governmental demands for the purpose of influencing legislation or government policy, characterized by the employment of such nonviolent techniques as boycotting, picketing, and nonpayment of taxes.
Compare noncooperation (def 2), passive resistance.
2.
(initial capital letters, italics) an essay (1848) by Thoreau.

It isn't passive resistance if violence is involved, which is typically what people support when they talk about civil disobedience.

Breaking the law as a matter of conscience (which is what these people believe they are doing, at least) could always be broadly called civil disobedience.

Even if you don't accept that definition, the larger question is about what preemptive steps should the state be taking to curtail free assembly out of the fear that some moderate violence may occur?

Should people who disagree not be allowed to congregate in the same areas? That doesn't seem right.

Should riot cops come bashing in anytime things get about as rough as your average mosh pit? Seems pointless and a waste of resources, and a potential disaster.

We're way past an average mosh pit here, but I think the problem here is the potential martyrdom of Antifa, since they are already misrepresented as "peaceful, liberal counterprotestors"

[The Conservative]

This is really starting to get old... when will we realize that "The Left" has brought to life some of the most despicable entities the US has ever seen... this isn't my opinion... This is fact.

[Hanarchy Montanarchy]

We're way past an average mosh pit here, but I think the problem here is the potential martyrdom of Antifa, since they are already misrepresented as "peaceful, liberal counterprotestors"

I haven't seen anything worse than I have seen at a rowdy concert... but I agree that the perception of martyrdom is a potential concern. I don't know if optics are the pressing concern when it comes to state violence though.

[Ex-California]

We're way past an average mosh pit here, but I think the problem here is the potential martyrdom of Antifa, since they are already misrepresented as "peaceful, liberal counterprotestors"

I haven't seen anything worse than I have seen at a rowdy concert... but I agree that the perception of martyrdom is a potential concern. I don't know if optics are the pressing concern when it comes to state violence though.

People attack people with bike locks at rowdy concerts?

Throw M80s and mortars into the mosh pit?

How about M80s encased in glass?

Holy shit what kind of Death Metal concerts do you to?

[Hanarchy Montanarchy]

We're way past an average mosh pit here, but I think the problem here is the potential martyrdom of Antifa, since they are already misrepresented as "peaceful, liberal counterprotestors"

I haven't seen anything worse than I have seen at a rowdy concert... but I agree that the perception of martyrdom is a potential concern. I don't know if optics are the pressing concern when it comes to state violence though.

People attack people with bike locks at rowdy concerts?

Throw M80s and mortars into the mosh pit?

How about M80s encased in glass?

Holy shit what kind of Death Metal concerts do you to?

People get cracked in the head and bleed about as much as the guy in the up-thread video. Sometimes shit gets thrown around.

People throw fire crackers as well, if they are being especially shitty. The glass bottle/m80 thing... well, so far that is hearsay. We've been talking about it the same way we all talked about that fellow being killed by Antifa early in the thread. Anyone check up on that? He weren't dead last I heard, and I am pretty sure if I were going to hear he died, I would hear it in this thread, since we got our own dedicated web crawlers with their peepers all aflutter in search of lefty terror attacks.

Also, as Hastur posted, people get killed at concerts... so by my count, concerts are more dangerous than Berkeley protests... should we shut them all down? For the children?

[Ex-California]

I haven't seen anything worse than I have seen at a rowdy concert... but I agree that the perception of martyrdom is a potential concern. I don't know if optics are the pressing concern when it comes to state violence though.

People attack people with bike locks at rowdy concerts?

Throw M80s and mortars into the mosh pit?

How about M80s encased in glass?

Holy shit what kind of Death Metal concerts do you to?

People get cracked in the head and bleed about as much as the guy in the up-thread video. Sometimes shit gets thrown around.

People throw fire crackers as well, if they are being especially shitty. The glass bottle/m80 thing... well, so far that is hearsay. We've been talking about it the same way we all talked about that fellow being killed by Antifa early in the thread. Anyone check up on that? He weren't dead last I heard, and I am pretty sure if I were going to hear he died, I would hear it in this thread, since we got our own dedicated web crawlers with their peepers all aflutter in search of lefty terror attacks.

Also, as Hastur posted, people get killed at concerts... so by my count, concerts are more dangerous than Berkeley protests... should we shut them all down? For the children?

An M80 is not a firecracker. You can try to justify the terrorism of Antifa as much as you want but you're simply wrong.

[Ex-California]

I missed your other sentence about optics and state violence though. I'd agree with you and take it a step further that the state rarely thinks about optics until the violence is over and an outcry stars up

[The Conservative]

I haven't seen anything worse than I have seen at a rowdy concert... but I agree that the perception of martyrdom is a potential concern. I don't know if optics are the pressing concern when it comes to state violence though.

People attack people with bike locks at rowdy concerts?

Throw M80s and mortars into the mosh pit?

How about M80s encased in glass?

Holy shit what kind of Death Metal concerts do you to?

People get cracked in the head and bleed about as much as the guy in the up-thread video. Sometimes shit gets thrown around.

People throw fire crackers as well, if they are being especially shitty. The glass bottle/m80 thing... well, so far that is hearsay. We've been talking about it the same way we all talked about that fellow being killed by Antifa early in the thread. Anyone check up on that? He weren't dead last I heard, and I am pretty sure if I were going to hear he died, I would hear it in this thread, since we got our own dedicated web crawlers with their peepers all aflutter in search of lefty terror attacks.

Also, as Hastur posted, people get killed at concerts... so by my count, concerts are more dangerous than Berkeley protests... should we shut them all down? For the children?

When a protest gets violent, yes, that was not part of the agreement when they signed up for it via the city/town/school, etc. When a death metal concert gets violent, you know what you were getting into in the first place.

M80s are a US Military invention to simulate explosions... that's not a Firecracker...