How's that Obamacare Repeal Working Out For You?

[SuburbanFarmer]

Obamacare is failing.



What we were sold
1. President Barack Obama promised that his reform proposal would cut typical family costs by $2,500 annually. That, of course, never materialized. The typical family today pays about 35 percent of their income for health care.

2. Obama told America his proposal would increase competition in the health insurance markets but that hasn’t happened either.
The downward slide in competition means that in 2017, consumers in 70 percent of U.S. counties are left with just one or two insurer options on the exchanges. The 70 percent figure is way up from 36 percent in 2016.

3. Forget about keeping your plan.

Perhaps the most famous health care promise of all, Obama’s promise: “If you like your health care plan, you’ll be able to keep your health care plan.” In fact, there were 37 instances where Obama or a high-ranking administration official repeated that infamous promise to keep you plan and your doctor.
Rarely has there been such a disconnect between rhetoric and reality. In 2014, the first year that Obamacare was fully implemented, the Associated Press reported that there were at least 4.7 million canceled policies across 30 states.

4. No, you can’t necessarily keep your doctor.
Obama promised patients that they would be able to keep their doctors. For many patients, that also turned out to be untrue.
Obamacare’s rising costs, and its limited flexibility in federally fixed benefit designs, resulted in plans resorting to narrow provider networks. Narrow networks limit access to doctors and other medical professionals as a way to contain costs.

Agreed. But there are pros as well:

- The system is now so bad that it could spur us into single-payer or something like it

- millions more people now have coverage (even if it sucks)

- insurance company profits are through the roof.

How stupid do you have to be to not think that was the entire plan in the first place?

In the first place - no.

This is how it worked out, but it was not the initial intent. The entire process was hijacked by weak leadership, and corporate lobbyists (MUH PROFITZZZZZ)

Still hoping against hope that we go single payer soon.

[clubgop]

Agreed. But there are pros as well:

- The system is now so bad that it could spur us into single-payer or something like it

- millions more people now have coverage (even if it sucks)

- insurance company profits are through the roof.

How stupid do you have to be to not think that was the entire plan in the first place?

In the first place - no.

This is how it worked out, but it was not the initial intent. The entire process was hijacked by weak leadership, and corporate lobbyists (MUH PROFITZZZZZ)

Still hoping against hope that we go single payer soon.

Hmm sure go with that. Just another isolated incident of unintended consequences.

[The Conservative]

Agreed. But there are pros as well:

- The system is now so bad that it could spur us into single-payer or something like it

- millions more people now have coverage (even if it sucks)

- insurance company profits are through the roof.

How stupid do you have to be to not think that was the entire plan in the first place?

In the first place - no.

This is how it worked out, but it was not the initial intent. The entire process was hijacked by weak leadership, and corporate lobbyists (MUH PROFITZZZZZ)

Still hoping against hope that we go single payer soon.

Seriously? This was going to fail from the word go, and because of that after states got used to sucking on the tit of the government for handouts to cover the costs of health insurance no one could afford. Single Payer was going to look like a wet dream.

The whole point of Obamacare was to push towards single player.

This was discussed ad nauseum on the Carlin forum.

Even Forbes is saying if the GOP fails Single Payer may be the next thing out there...

https://www.forbes.com/sites/sallypipes ... 09a9bc2f17

Cripes, how blind are you?

[SuburbanFarmer]

I've heard the single-payer rumors, and projections, but assigning intent to this from the start? That seems a little fuzzy at best.

If true, it would be Obama's greatest move.

[TheReal_ND]

More likely a stop gap measure since the idea of single payer was too socialist for Americans. If it failed then "oh well guess we can try the commie way then :^)

[The Conservative]

I've heard the single-payer rumors, and projections, but assigning intent to this from the start? That seems a little fuzzy at best.

If true, it would be Obama's greatest move.

The Democrat Party, not just Obama. Although he is a socialist at heart.

[TheReal_ND]

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/17/us/p ... pe=article

Senators Mike Lee of Utah and Jerry Moran of Kansas declared on Monday night that they would oppose the Senate Republican bill to repeal the Affordable Care Act, killing for now a seven-year-old promise to overturn President Barack Obama’s signature domestic achievement.

The announcement by the senators, both Republicans, left their leaders two votes short of the necessary tally to begin debate on their bill to dismantle the health law. Two other Republican senators, Rand Paul of Kentucky and Susan Collins of Maine, had already said they would not support a procedural step to begin debate.

“There are serious problems with Obamacare, and my goal remains what it has been for a long time: to repeal and replace it,” Mr. Moran said in a statement. “This closed-door process unfortunately has yielded” the Senate repeal bill, which, he asserted, “failed to repeal the Affordable Care Act or address health care’s rising costs.”

In his own statement, Mr. Lee said of the bill, “In addition to not repealing all of the Obamacare taxes, it doesn’t go far enough in lowering premiums for middle class families; nor does it create enough free space from the most costly Obamacare regulations.”

By jumping together, Mr. Moran and Mr. Lee ensured that no one would be the definitive “no” vote.

[Fife]

Ruz on the outside looking in. :goteam:

[Speaker to Animals]

These fucking people.

[Speaker to Animals]

I've heard the single-payer rumors, and projections, but assigning intent to this from the start? That seems a little fuzzy at best.

If true, it would be Obama's greatest move.

Back when they were passing the law, I thought for sure that was the plan. But as soon as they got into the business of using the law to persecute various groups, it became obvious his intent was to give the federal government power to persecute religions, force people to pay for abortions (which was supposed to be illegal), and so on.

The reason I think he wouldn't give us single payer is that there is no way they could have paid for abortions and abortion pills if the federal government was the single-payer insurer. But if the government just mandated that policies have this or that, and forced people to purchase policies, then he had a better chance of getting away with it. Then he picked fights with nuns and Hobby Lobby and lost, so nobody walked away with anything they wanted.