Another School Shooting

[BjornP]

Japan, Switzerland, Sweden, UK, Canada, Finland.

What a bunch of shitholes.

Fucking moron.

..and what do they all have in common in that graph of yours? .

A vastly higher rate of gun ownership compared with their rates of gun homicides?

An incredibly disparate rate of gun homicides when compared with nations with lower rates of gun ownership?

If you are not allowed to use guns for self defense, then the higher rate of gun ownership does have a causal effect on lower levels of intentional homocide. Do a comparison on the extent of "castle doctrine" like laws in the countries to the left of the US in the graph and American castle doctrine laws.

[Okeefenokee]

..and what do they all have in common in that graph of yours? .

A vastly higher rate of gun ownership compared with their rates of gun homicides?

An incredibly disparate rate of gun homicides when compared with nations with lower rates of gun ownership?

If you are not allowed to use guns for self defense, then the higher rate of gun ownership does have a causal effect on lower levels of intentional homocide. Do a comparison on the extent of "castle doctrine" like laws in the countries to the left of the US in the graph and American castle doctrine laws.

The effectiveness of gun laws vary among nations that have disparate views on gun laws.

Fucking hell. Someone give that man a medal.

[Okeefenokee]

Next thing you'll tell me is that we can't know any of these things because the NRA doesn't allow any studies on these issues.

[BjornP]

A vastly higher rate of gun ownership compared with their rates of gun homicides?

An incredibly disparate rate of gun homicides when compared with nations with lower rates of gun ownership?

If you are not allowed to use guns for self defense, then the higher rate of gun ownership does have a causal effect on lower levels of intentional homocide. Do a comparison on the extent of "castle doctrine" like laws in the countries to the left of the US in the graph and American castle doctrine laws.

The effectiveness of gun laws vary among nations that have disparate views on gun laws.

Fucking hell. Someone give that man a medal.

Not the point at all. Keep up and stop thinking i am arguing the gun grabber position just because i am replying to you.

The point is that it is not the availability of guns, or gun laws that is the key difference. It is the difference in self defense laws.

[Okeefenokee]

If you are not allowed to use guns for self defense, then the higher rate of gun ownership does have a causal effect on lower levels of intentional homocide. Do a comparison on the extent of "castle doctrine" like laws in the countries to the left of the US in the graph and American castle doctrine laws.

The effectiveness of gun laws vary among nations that have disparate views on gun laws.

Fucking hell. Someone give that man a medal.

Not the point at all. Keep up and stop thinking i am arguing the gun grabber position just because i am replying to you.

The point is that it is not the availability of guns, or gun laws that is the key difference. It is the difference in self defense laws.

The difference in self defense laws?

Here's ours,

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

Our self defense law does not make a distinction between citizens and government. It is ultimate. Your right to self defense is absolute. You may defend yourself against the government just as ardently as you may against any stranger.

[SuburbanFarmer]

Hey look it’s that comical US vs 3rd World chart again. Man that never gets old.

Japan, Switzerland, Sweden, UK, Canada, Finland.

What a bunch of shitholes.

Fucking moron.

...and what do they all have in common in that graph of yours?

Anyway, GCF: It's the gun ownership pr capita *compared* to intentional homocide rate you should be looking at. Yes, the US has more murders than first world countries, but if gun ownership pr capita was really the primary reason for a higher murder rate, the murder rate in the US should *follow* the stats for gun ownership.

I agree that there are any number of stats to consider. I’m just pointing out that this little chart is absurd.

There are 150+ countries in the world. It’s not difficult to cherry-pick a dozen that fit together in a nice curve.

[SuburbanFarmer]

Where did all the gun grabbers go?

Might something in their narrative have evaporated?

I'll pose the question again,

What is the deadliest mass shooting in a place of worship in US history, and why don't the gun grabbers know what it was?

It seemed like a few days ago they were gung ho on stripping American's of their constitutionally guaranteed rights, but all that gusto seems to have dried up rather quickly.

What happened?

Where's penner? Where's commie cat? Where's monty?

Why are all the people, who were just days ago calling for draconian restrictions on the rights of Americans to defend themselves, suddenly silent?

What happened?

We all saw you calling for us to be disarmed and defenseless, but where did you go?

We're all here wondering why you would demand we lose our rights last week, and then lose interest in such a totalitarian cause so soon.

Are we supposed to be swayed by such lackluster and fickle devotion to the stripping of our fundamental human rights?

You were all in here telling us that YOU cared so dearly for human life that you wanted us to be stripped of our ability to defend ourselves, but all accounts seem to indicate that you just got bored with it.

I know it sucks that your narrative failed. We noticed a week ago that the response to this shooting was built on lies, and we predicted, accurately, that there was a stand down order, but why did you leave?

It looks like you were really just the same sort of people we said you were. Standing on the graves of children to push your totalitarian agenda.

You’re standing on an anthill right now, braying at imaginary enemies. Nobody (certainly not me) proposed any “draconian agenda” to take away your boomsticks. There are a number of varying viewpoints and proposals among that group that you’re calling out.

[Okeefenokee]

Where did all the gun grabbers go?

Might something in their narrative have evaporated?

I'll pose the question again,

What is the deadliest mass shooting in a place of worship in US history, and why don't the gun grabbers know what it was?

It seemed like a few days ago they were gung ho on stripping American's of their constitutionally guaranteed rights, but all that gusto seems to have dried up rather quickly.

What happened?

Where's penner? Where's commie cat? Where's monty?

Why are all the people, who were just days ago calling for draconian restrictions on the rights of Americans to defend themselves, suddenly silent?

What happened?

We all saw you calling for us to be disarmed and defenseless, but where did you go?

We're all here wondering why you would demand we lose our rights last week, and then lose interest in such a totalitarian cause so soon.

Are we supposed to be swayed by such lackluster and fickle devotion to the stripping of our fundamental human rights?

You were all in here telling us that YOU cared so dearly for human life that you wanted us to be stripped of our ability to defend ourselves, but all accounts seem to indicate that you just got bored with it.

I know it sucks that your narrative failed. We noticed a week ago that the response to this shooting was built on lies, and we predicted, accurately, that there was a stand down order, but why did you leave?

It looks like you were really just the same sort of people we said you were. Standing on the graves of children to push your totalitarian agenda.

You’re standing on an anthill right now, braying at imaginary enemies. Nobody (certainly not me) proposed any “draconian agenda” to take away your boomsticks. There are a number of varying viewpoints and proposals among that group that you’re calling out.

Lying ass faggot pretending I can't show you where he called for restrictions. Lying ass faggot pretending I didn't call his lying ass out just days ago when he said certain guns needed to be restricted.

Please, lying mother fucker, pretend I can't show anyone here who doesn't know that you have repeatedly called for bans of guns you know nothing about.

I fucking dare you, you gutless piece of shit. Do it.

Say one more fucking time that you haven't called for a ban on weapons you don't know shit about.

What the fuck is wrong with you that you would continue to push this bullshit?

[Zero]

Where did all the gun grabbers go?

Might something in their narrative have evaporated?

I'll pose the question again,

What is the deadliest mass shooting in a place of worship in US history, and why don't the gun grabbers know what it was?

It seemed like a few days ago they were gung ho on stripping American's of their constitutionally guaranteed rights, but all that gusto seems to have dried up rather quickly.

What happened?

Where's penner? Where's commie cat? Where's monty?

Why are all the people, who were just days ago calling for draconian restrictions on the rights of Americans to defend themselves, suddenly silent?

What happened?

We all saw you calling for us to be disarmed and defenseless, but where did you go?

We're all here wondering why you would demand we lose our rights last week, and then lose interest in such a totalitarian cause so soon.

Are we supposed to be swayed by such lackluster and fickle devotion to the stripping of our fundamental human rights?

You were all in here telling us that YOU cared so dearly for human life that you wanted us to be stripped of our ability to defend ourselves, but all accounts seem to indicate that you just got bored with it.

I know it sucks that your narrative failed. We noticed a week ago that the response to this shooting was built on lies, and we predicted, accurately, that there was a stand down order, but why did you leave?

It looks like you were really just the same sort of people we said you were. Standing on the graves of children to push your totalitarian agenda.

You’re standing on an anthill right now, braying at imaginary enemies. Nobody (certainly not me) proposed any “draconian agenda” to take away your boomsticks. There are a number of varying viewpoints and proposals among that group that you’re calling out.

Lying ass faggot pretending I can't show you where he called for restrictions. Lying ass faggot pretending I didn't call his lying ass out just days ago when he said certain guns needed to be restricted.

Please, lying mother fucker, pretend I can't show anyone here who doesn't know that you have repeatedly called for bans of guns you know nothing about.

I fucking dare you, you gutless piece of shit. Do it.

Say one more fucking time that you haven't called for a ban on weapons you don't know shit about.

What the fuck is wrong with you that you would continue to push this bullshit?

Good grief. Lay off the sauce, dude.

[K@th]

Mind you, I'm yet to hear from anyone, who have all of the powers of google, of what is the single worst mass shooting in a place of worship in the US in history.

This isn't school; you aren't the teacher, and nobody is required to take your little quiz.

If there is information you feel is germane to the discussion, by all means, share. Or not.