Pedestrian Bridge Collapse, FIU, S Florida

[Hanarchy Montanarchy]

Is that what we're doing now?

We're pretending that these engineers and contractors just showed up one day and started building a bridge? Government found out about it when they saw it on the news?

Are we pretending people aren't responsible for their shoddy work, the people that hired them are?

There is that personal responsibility ethic.

[Okeefenokee]

Yes, for everyone except government.

The only people in the mix who have a direct line of causation leading up to them being put in place by the people of Miami specifically to make sure things like bridges falling on people don't happen, are also the only people in the mix with no responsibility for it.

It's not the engineer's job to stop the traffic. It's not the construction worker's job either. It's the city's job to stop traffic driving under a bridge currently under construction (they failed).

It's the city's job to hire the best firm to build the bridge, instead of just giving it to the family that gives the most to political campaigns (they failed).

When a bridge collapses, it's the city's job to tell the truth about what happened, instead of lying about the bridge being finished when it was an active construction zone. (they failed)

Like I said, they've been working on this damn toll road in El Paso for years because they can only work when the trains aren't running underneath, because the rail companies don't want fucking bridges falling on their freight.

[Speaker to Animals]

they were stress testing the bridge and tightening those cables with people traveling underneath.

LOTS of culpability here.

Yes, the county should have stopped traffic.

Fucking no, just because the state failed to do that they shouldnot have continued tightening those cables with people underneath.

[Okeefenokee]

they were stress testing the bridge and tightening those cables with people traveling underneath.

LOTS of culpability here.

Yes, the county should have stopped traffic.

Fucking no, just because the state failed to do that they shouldnot have continued tightening those cables with people underneath.

I agree they shouldn't have done it, but to hold them at fault, and not the government, when it's only the government getting paid to do exactly that, is asinine. Primary responsibility is with the people in office, not Pedro, Pedro Jr, and Jorge.

[Speaker to Animals]

Somebody is getting locked up and it's probably not the democrat beurocrat.

[de officiis]

Is that what we're doing now?

We're pretending that these engineers and contractors just showed up one day and started building a bridge? Government found out about it when they saw it on the news?

Are we pretending people aren't responsible for their shoddy work, the people that hired them are?

There is that personal responsibility ethic.

Under common law, the owner (or occupier, assuming a leasehold) is ultimately liable for whatever unreasonably dangerous or defective structures are present on the property if it causes injury to those who were invited to use them. The independent contractors that designed and installed the bridge, or who supervised that work, are responsible for their own negligence, but the owner cannot escape liability to the invitees by pointing to the latter's conduct. That's why the construction contracts often have indemnification provisions favoring the landowner, and frequently require the owner to be added as an insured to the construction company's primary and excess liability insurance policies. Of course, a municipal government being involved here, the common law rules could be affected by statutory legislation, including various forms of immunity (e.g., discretionary act immunity).

[Ph64]

FIU bridge was firm’s second ‘catastrophic’ collapse, according to suit. No one was hurt last time.


http://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/c ... 70649.html

[Speaker to Animals]

What is it about democratic party governance that causes this complete apathy towards human life?

[Fife]

[Speaker to Animals]

Ouch.