Another School Shooting

[DrYouth]

Well, that is some MK Ultra level fucked up right there, Doc.

No kidding.

[MilSpecs]

Mentally ill people are more prone to suicide and school shootings.

We try to medicate mentally ill people.

Conclusion: The medication is somehow responsible for the suicide and school shootings?

Sorry Hanarchy...

SSRI's have been shown to increase violence against self and others again and again.

The jury is out.... the drugs increase violence.

I see it all the time in my practice.

They may improve depression.... which is an inhibited state.... and increase the likelihood of acting out violently - a disinhibited state.
They are disinhibiting drugs.
No internal inconsistency there.

I feel like we keep missing the point.

Something is clearly causing the need or desire for these medications. I'm not a doctor but autoimmune and endocrine problems have greatly increased over the generations. Something is going on and it might behoove us to find the cause(s).

[Montegriffo]

19th school shooting so far this year.
Liberty has a high price.

No. Most of these are not what we consider a mass/school shooting.

According to FBI statistics, the US has around 40 people dying on average every year due to mass shootings. 40 people would be a lot in a small country like mine. But not in a country with 350 000 000 people, and just as many guns.

If mass shootings are a reason to increase gun control, every single person who drinks, smokes, or drives, need to take a long hard look on themselves.

It's hysterical Fake News.

The details of each of the "mass" shootings are at this link:

No, there have not been 18 school shootings so far in 2018

Make no mistake, every shooting incident listed above is concerning and indicative of a cultural problem in how people deal with conflict resolution, but, in no way is a mass shooting at a school happening every 2-3 days in the United States. It's an unfair, dishonest, and disingenuous characterization by the media.

Show me in my post where I said it was a mass shooting.

[DrYouth]

I feel like we keep missing the point.

Something is clearly causing the need or desire for these medications. I'm not a doctor but autoimmune and endocrine problems have greatly increased over the generations. Something is going on and it might behoove us to find the cause(s).

Depression is a state of inhibition which is caused by chronic stress...
Autoimmune and endocrine problems are physical ailments which are also the result of chronic stress.
The biggest change in the modern world in my opinion is the breakdown of social ties. Social ties buffer stress. Without them we are more vulnerable to stress.

Robert B Putnam's book Bowling Alone, I believe captured it best....
We have less and less community engagement and participation. We have less and less trusted face to face relationships.
These are the consequences of increased interpersonal change that have come with the industrial and now the digital age.
Consider the change in your neighbourhoods in the past 10 years... how many times to people relocate in the modern world.
My kids classmates change every year.

It was not long ago that people grew up in the same village as their ancestors most of the time.
People maintained the ties of community throughout their lifespans as the rule rather than the exception.
I have no idea how this can be rolled back. Technological change isn't slowing down any time soon and Facebook and Twitter aren't going to save the day.

Neither are the bots.

[MilSpecs]

I feel like we keep missing the point.

Something is clearly causing the need or desire for these medications. I'm not a doctor but autoimmune and endocrine problems have greatly increased over the generations. Something is going on and it might behoove us to find the cause(s).

Depression is a state of inhibition which is caused by chronic stress...
Autoimmune and endocrine problems are physical ailments which are also the result of chronic stress.
The biggest change in the modern world in my opinion is the breakdown of social ties. Social ties buffer stress. Without them we are more vulnerable to stress.

Robert B Putnam's book Bowling Alone, I believe captured it best....
We have less and less community engagement and participation. We have less and less trusted face to face relationships.
These are the consequences of increased interpersonal change that have come with the industrial and now the digital age.
Consider the change in your neighbourhoods in the past 10 years... how many times to people relocate in the modern world.
My kids classmates change every year.

It was not long ago that people grew up in the same village as their ancestors most of the time.
People maintained the ties of community throughout their lifespans as the rule rather than the exception.
I have no idea how this can be rolled back. Technological change isn't slowing down any time soon and Facebook and Twitter aren't going to save the day.

Neither are the bots.

Agreed, but I was thinking more of things people are born with rather than caused solely by stress. Autoimmune diseases that manifest in early childhood, reproductive disorders, structural defects, schizophrenia, even the increase in things like children 'born without consciences.' If it was just societal then we wouldn't see it elsewhere as well. Societies with longstanding strong family ties are experiencing similar problems. I know an endocrinologist who suspects that the chemicals we dumped into our environment and our bodies are at least partially to blame, because of the surge in autoimmune diseases all over the world.

[DrYouth]

Agreed, but I was thinking more of things people are born with rather than caused solely by stress. Autoimmune diseases that manifest in early childhood, reproductive disorders, structural defects, schizophrenia, even the increase in things like children 'born without consciences.' If it was just societal then we wouldn't see it elsewhere as well. Societies with longstanding strong family ties are experiencing similar problems. I know an endocrinologist who suspects that the chemicals we dumped into our environment and our bodies are at least partially to blame, because of the surge in autoimmune diseases all over the world.

Technological change is affecting societies globally.
The developing world is seeing the fastest changes at this point in time.
The western world is experiencing the chronic effects of social thinning.
Risk factors for schizophrenia have always included urban living and immigration...
Chronic stress has physical manifestations....

Pollution and environmental contamination don't help... of course, and certainly are "partially" to blame... areas with high toxic exposure are at greater risk.... but I think we have been focussing on these exclusively because the societal factors are too difficult to address.
Easier to ban a few chemicals.

[BjornP]

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Robert B Putnam's book Bowling Alone, I believe captured it best....
We have less and less community engagement and participation. We have less and less trusted face to face relationships.
These are the consequences of increased interpersonal change that have come with the industrial and now the digital age.
Consider the change in your neighbourhoods in the past 10 years... how many times to people relocate in the modern world.
My kids classmates change every year.

It was not long ago that people grew up in the same village as their ancestors most of the time.
People maintained the ties of community throughout their lifespans as the rule rather than the exception.
I have no idea how this can be rolled back. Technological change isn't slowing down any time soon and Facebook and Twitter aren't going to save the day.

Neither are the bots.

It is striking that what you're presenting as major social breakdown and cause for a rise in need of mental health services, is hailed a things to strive for and be expanded upon by alot of mainstream politicians all over the Western world. The relationship between state, society and individual have developed into a system of alot of State, alot of Individual, but less and less society to hold it all together.

[kybkh]

You guys talking bout social break down and shit?

It's just bad parenting.

Absentee or bad fathers do not demonstrate the proper behavior to these kids.

Not one shooter I am aware of came from a home that I would consider of good parenting.

[DrYouth]

It is striking that what you're presenting as major social breakdown and cause for a rise in need of mental health services, is hailed a things to strive for and be expanded upon by alot of mainstream politicians all over the Western world. The relationship between state, society and individual have developed into a system of alot of State, alot of Individual, but less and less society to hold it all together.

It is a paradox that is reaching crisis proportions...
With no sign of letting up.
Younger and younger kids around here up to their necks in serious addictions and suicidal behaviour.
I would say it seems much worse then when I was growing up.

[DrYouth]

You guys talking bout social break down and shit?

It's just bad parenting.

Absentee or bad fathers do not demonstrate the proper behavior to these kids.

Not one shooter I am aware of came from a home that I would consider of good parenting.

What, you think parenting isn't related to social cohesion?
If you have a strong community you have better parenting.
Parents nowadays are stressed to the breaking point... Who has their back?
Not their families... that are often miles away, not their neighbours, that they hardly know, not their employers... they change constantly.
Not even their spouses... marital breakdown is practically the norm... and if they have time for friends... their friends are just as hooped.

And you expect great parenting?