Hawaii Missile Threat: False Alarm

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Re: Hawaii Missile Threat: False Alarm

Post by Montegriffo » Fri Jan 26, 2018 2:59 pm

I only ever had one union job. On the docks in Felixstowe, was great, double the money of my previous job. Had a policy that if a person didn't get into work their wages were split between the rest of the shift. Every perk going...
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Re: Hawaii Missile Threat: False Alarm

Post by Smitty-48 » Fri Jan 26, 2018 3:11 pm

Montegriffo wrote:I only ever had one union job. On the docks in Felixstowe, was great, double the money of my previous job. Had a policy that if a person didn't get into work their wages were split between the rest of the shift. Every perk going...
I've never had a union job, but even in the army, I was never forced to speak while under investigation without legal counsel, which in the army is an assisting officer, and in every case the assisting officer advised me to say nothing and to allow him to speak on my behalf, and for any soldier that I placed under investigation, I advised them to consult with their assisting officer before they said anything, and that was all entirely consistent with the Queen's Regulations and Orders, not a perk at all, merely due process of the law.
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Re: Hawaii Missile Threat: False Alarm

Post by Okeefenokee » Fri Jan 26, 2018 3:21 pm

Smitty-48 wrote:
Montegriffo wrote:I only ever had one union job. On the docks in Felixstowe, was great, double the money of my previous job. Had a policy that if a person didn't get into work their wages were split between the rest of the shift. Every perk going...
I've never had a union job, but even in the army, I was never forced to speak while under investigation without legal counsel, which in the army is an assisting officer, and in every case the assisting officer advised me to say nothing and to allow him to speak on my behalf, and for any soldier that I placed under investigation, I advised them to consult with their assisting officer before they said anything, and that was all entirely consistent with the Queen's Regulations and Orders, not a perk at all, merely due process of the law.
Hey private, you were supposed to fuel the generator. It ran out last night, and the TOC lost power. What happened?

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Re: Hawaii Missile Threat: False Alarm

Post by Smitty-48 » Fri Jan 26, 2018 3:24 pm

Okeefenokee wrote:
Smitty-48 wrote:
Montegriffo wrote:I only ever had one union job. On the docks in Felixstowe, was great, double the money of my previous job. Had a policy that if a person didn't get into work their wages were split between the rest of the shift. Every perk going...
I've never had a union job, but even in the army, I was never forced to speak while under investigation without legal counsel, which in the army is an assisting officer, and in every case the assisting officer advised me to say nothing and to allow him to speak on my behalf, and for any soldier that I placed under investigation, I advised them to consult with their assisting officer before they said anything, and that was all entirely consistent with the Queen's Regulations and Orders, not a perk at all, merely due process of the law.
Hey private, you were supposed to fuel the generator. It ran out last night, and the TOC lost power. What happened?

I want my lawyer
Fallacy, the case in question is a formal investigation, upon any formal investigation, you are entitled to legal counsel, or at least we are, maybe it doesn't work that way in America, but that's how it works under the rule of law.

Moreover, said Private Soldier exampled would not be subject to termination of contract for such a mistake, wouldn't even be subject to formal investigation in fact.
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Re: Hawaii Missile Threat: False Alarm

Post by K@th » Fri Jan 26, 2018 3:45 pm

Can't understand your POV on this one, Smitty.
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Re: Hawaii Missile Threat: False Alarm

Post by Smitty-48 » Fri Jan 26, 2018 3:47 pm

Kath wrote:Can't understand your POV on this one, Smitty.
My point of view is that America is ruled by partisan witch hunt and one would be a fool to cooperate with that without legal counsel present, but you are of course free to, if you would like to cooperate with the inquisitions of American torches and pitchforks, that is your prerogative, but I would recommend that you seek legal counsel before you said anything, go shooting your mouth off to a formal investigation without legal counsel at your own peril methinks.
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Re: Hawaii Missile Threat: False Alarm

Post by Smitty-48 » Fri Jan 26, 2018 3:55 pm

See here; Do you think the President would ever speak to a formal investigation without legal counsel? Of course not, he would be a fool to do so, only rubes do things like that, people with wealth, power and prerogatives exercise every right at their disposal in all cases.

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Re: Hawaii Missile Threat: False Alarm

Post by DBTrek » Fri Jan 26, 2018 4:01 pm

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Next time.
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Re: Hawaii Missile Threat: False Alarm

Post by K@th » Fri Jan 26, 2018 4:01 pm

The employee is not under investigation, to my understanding. It's the process that is under investigation. The process doesn't need a lawyer.
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Re: Hawaii Missile Threat: False Alarm

Post by Smitty-48 » Fri Jan 26, 2018 4:04 pm

Kath wrote:The employee is not under investigation, to my understanding. It's the process that is under investigation. The process doesn't need a lawyer.
The OP stated that the employee was refusing to cooperate with the investigation, which is legalese for the employee exercising their right to remain silent, likely on the advice of legal counsel, if you have a problem with that, more fool you, I however, would do exactly the same, so obviously I'm not going to decry someone for not being a rube, when I would do exactly as my Commander-in-Chief would, which is consult legal counsel and communicate entirely through them.

Good enough of the Queen, good enough for the Queen's soldiers too.
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