Why Family Values Are Economic Values

[apeman]

I don't "believe" anything, this stuff is wayyyyy out of my realm. The one thing I am sure of is that the answer isn't black or white such as your question is phrased.

I believe that if JBP is right (and he is as credible a source as any I've ever encountered), it kinda looks like we either find a way for such folks to contribute or its permanent welfare.

[Fife]

Think of it this way, think of their mental constructs as cars. The same person in a Yugo is not going to do as well as the same person in a Ferrari. Their machinery, from the get go, is just shit, and it takes something to break that cycle to get them out of it.

It's even worse than that.

Approximately 15% of the population has so low an IQ that they really aren't suitable for any job (military won't take em either), according to Jordan Peterson and the studies he relies on.

We've set up a society where 15% of the population is automatically on the outside.

We don't talk about this, I had never thought of it it such stark terms before.

Wait, what? We "set up" normal distribution? That sounds like some strong hubris, counselor.

I keep telling you all that some number of dollars is not the proper metric to use. You can give someone with a 60 IQ a million dollars and around the clock in-patient room and board; what have you done for him?

[apeman]

Think of it this way, think of their mental constructs as cars. The same person in a Yugo is not going to do as well as the same person in a Ferrari. Their machinery, from the get go, is just shit, and it takes something to break that cycle to get them out of it.

It's even worse than that.

Approximately 15% of the population has so low an IQ that they really aren't suitable for any job (military won't take em either), according to Jordan Peterson and the studies he relies on.

We've set up a society where 15% of the population is automatically on the outside.

We don't talk about this, I had never thought of it it such stark terms before.

Wait, what? We "set up" normal distribution? That sounds like some strong hubris, counselor.

I keep telling you all that some number of dollars is not the proper metric to use. You can give someone with a 60 IQ a million dollars and around the clock in-patient room and board; what have you done for him?

You are correct, set-up implies central control not emergent order. Ignoring my sloppy phrasing, the point is still interesting -- there are folks literally too dumb to be employed.

This is a new phenomenon.

What do we do?

[Speaker to Animals]

Think of it this way, think of their mental constructs as cars. The same person in a Yugo is not going to do as well as the same person in a Ferrari. Their machinery, from the get go, is just shit, and it takes something to break that cycle to get them out of it.

It's even worse than that.

Approximately 15% of the population has so low an IQ that they really aren't suitable for any job (military won't take em either), according to Jordan Peterson and the studies he relies on.

We've set up a society where 15% of the population is automatically on the outside.

We don't talk about this, I had never thought of it it such stark terms before.

Wait, what? We "set up" normal distribution? That sounds like some strong hubris, counselor.

I keep telling you all that some number of dollars is not the proper metric to use. You can give someone with a 60 IQ a million dollars and around the clock in-patient room and board; what have you done for him?

We certainly setup an economy where the jobs available to those in the far left spectrum get displaced by workers downgrading after their jobs got offshore.

Those people at the far left of the distribution have few options and have to compete with people in the middle of the distribution now for what jobs remain.

For example, a laid-off auto worker might now look for work in construction. That auto worker's skills may no longer be valuable after offspring our manufacturing sector, but he still has somewhere around median IQ. So when that foreman has to choose between him and the guy with an IQ in the 80s, what do you think is the likely outcome, all other things being equal?

[apeman]

That response is much better than mine

[Speaker to Animals]

A new homesteading act might help.

Stop letting millions of immigrants come here when we already don't have enough jobs for every worker.

There are some obvious solutions here..

[Fife]

Just think how screwed we would be if we didn't have the state employing ~ 22,000,000 people, quite many of whom are sigma 1-2 on the bad side of the "ability" distribution, if not the IQ distribution.

Can sub-80 IQ folk get a preference for Martin's post-hole digging/filling up agency?

[Fife]

A new homesteading act might help.

Stop letting millions of immigrants come here when we already don't have enough jobs for every worker.

There are some obvious solutions here..

There's much to ^this^.

I might express it just a bit differently, with some extra stuff: Return the real property of the U.S. to the People. Close the border and close all the wars.

[C-Mag]

I did bootstrap myself, but I can't deny the many advantages that I had. Namely, a solid upbringing, no kids (at the time), no major debts, no huge bills, no medical issues, and a government that (for whatever reason) saw fit to subsidize a mass of school loans for me.

Most people don't get that second chance in their 30s - they've got kids, houses, families, parents need help, whatever. I'm an exception because I didn't have those other obligations. It would have been damned near impossible, if I had a typical trailer-park background.

I see.................. You're specially gifted, you are magic, you are the Übermenschen.......................... but mere mortals of poverty don't dare even attempt to tread in your footsteps, for they will only fail.

[Okeefenokee]

A new homesteading act might help.

Stop letting millions of immigrants come here when we already don't have enough jobs for every worker.

There are some obvious solutions here..

a reverse migration back to the countryside is one of the best options I see on the horizon. people never left the countryside until industrialization needed them, and now that it doesn't need them anymore, the majority need to go back.