Another Reason the Wall is Dumb

[Martin Hash]

Liberals are Nationalists: it's NeoCons & socialists who are Open-Border people. NeoCons would at least protect against Climate Refugees, but socialists are more-the-merrier, there's plenty to redistribute.

[Speaker to Animals]

Liberals are Nationalists: it's NeoCons & socialists who are Open-Border people. NeoCons would at least protect against Climate Refugees, but socialists are more-the-merrier, there's plenty to redistribute.

The opening of immigration to nonwestern people started with the liberals, though. There were no neocons then. And if Clinton was a liberal, then open borders too were once behind it to some extent.

This immigration obsession that began in the 1960s is some kind of mass delusion that transcends politics in several ways. It's hard to get a grasp of it because of how deeply embedded the dysfunction is lodged in our collective psyche, and also because of the intense programming and indoctrination.

[SuburbanFarmer]

Interesting point about the climate refugees. So what's the plan then? Wall ourselves off, like Elyrium? Keep to our haven, and let the poor rubes starve at our gates?

Do you feel a greater allegiance to your country, than you do to humanity? Why?

[Speaker to Animals]

Do you feel a greater allegiance to your country, than you do to humanity? Why?

To an extent, yes.

Why? Because I am human and don't let delusional ideologies short-circuit normal human behavior (i.e. becoming a cuck).

We are a tribal species. A nation is a group of people who share a common genetic, cultural, and linguistic bond. For all intents and purposes, our nation is our tribe. I put our tribe before the other tribes.

In a matter concerning all of humanity, I am perfectly willing to cooperate for the betterment of all mankind. But I don't foolishly weaken or destroy my own tribe just because virtue signaling feels good.

You already operate like this in your own life. I am sure you don't have trouble helping out the homeless through some charity or personally buying them a restaurant gift card or whatever. But you don't risk the welfare of your family by opening your door to random homeless people. The same principle applies at the national level.

[Martin Hash]

Interesting point about the climate refugees. So what's the plan then? Wall ourselves off, like Elyrium? Keep to our haven, and let the poor rubes starve at our gates?

Do you feel a greater allegiance to your country, than you do to humanity? Why?

Humanity? Dude, I'm not religious.

Liberty is an alliance: we owe no allegiance to king, church or kin, certainly not to randoms.

[TheReal_ND]

Well played.

[SuburbanFarmer]

Do you feel a greater allegiance to your country, than you do to humanity? Why?

To an extent, yes.

Why? Because I am human and don't let delusional ideologies short-circuit normal human behavior (i.e. becoming a cuck).

We are a tribal species. A nation is a group of people who share a common genetic, cultural, and linguistic bond. For all intents and purposes, our nation is our tribe. I put our tribe before the other tribes.

In a matter concerning all of humanity, I am perfectly willing to cooperate for the betterment of all mankind. But I don't foolishly weaken or destroy my own tribe just because virtue signaling feels good.

You already operate like this in your own life. I am sure you don't have trouble helping out the homeless through some charity or personally buying them a restaurant gift card or whatever. But you don't risk the welfare of your family by opening your door to random homeless people. The same principle applies at the national level.

Human tribal size maxes out at around 20 people. This has been well-studied.

I feel no more kinship toward random New Yorker than random anyone that speaks my language, and neither do you. A nation is most certainly not a tribe, despite what the government might desperately want you to believe.

It is, at best, a massive conglomeration of humans that coexist in a territory under a single government. You could apply a different view and call it an organism of its own, but there is no kinship or shared values among citizens, other than they aren't disgusted enough to leave it for another.

[Martin Hash]

Go on, that sounds like liberty so far...

[Speaker to Animals]

Tribes join to form nations. Nations join to form empires. In order to make a nation work, you have to redirect tribal behavior towards the nation state. In order for an empire to work, you need to redirect national behavior into an empire.


We share little bonds with other peoples. Those of you drunk on this mulitculturalist woo woo are deluding yourselves into thinking you have this greater bond with people who actually despise you and are using you to colonize North America.

ALL the historical evidence points towards this resulting in a very bad end. We are the next Austro-Hungarian Empire. Our cousins in Europe are basically the next Wampanoag people.

This shit does not work.

[SuburbanFarmer]

I think I've made it pretty clear on here that I do not share your racial paranoia. I have no problem with humanity getting a little browner, and a little less bigoted.

Nobody has attempted to impose any religious law on me, other than Christians, and I can comfortably expect that to continue.