Income Inequality

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Re: Income Inequality

Post by jbird4049 » Sun Feb 26, 2017 10:24 pm

California wrote:
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TheReal_ND wrote: I've been avoiding this cancerous thread but this meme needs to die here and now. Burgers are enjoyed by the entire cross section of America. They are one of the things that make America great. Don't ever disparage our food like that again you degenerate vegan.
Cancerous thread? What, you don't like my piercing insights? I'll have you know, you ignoramus, that even now I am going to In-and-Out Burger to dine. I will have you know it is far superior to a Wendy's, or worse, McDonalds.
And somehow they pay their workers wages that start at like $12 without resorting to whining about minimum wage and kiosks. People who move up the chain make good money.
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So do the executives of your favorite retail megacorp. But they're wrong.

In discussions with friends, both young and old, all prefer the normal checkout line to the hassle of getting things to scan correctly, the idiotic 'weight-check' of your bags that never works right, and having to bag it up yourself.

People are choosing the cashier, and it's not changing.
Until there's a bin you put your stuff in, and it comes out the other side bagged, and tallied. Don't delude yourself.
Quite so. Amazon has some interesting ideas about it, but far from mainstream yet.
Was it the customer's choice that led to the blasted tree phones?

That said.

Every damn time I go to Safeway, there is like one checkout clerk (out of the 5+ checkout lanes) and maybe a bagger, plus two-four of those machine thingings checkout lane with long long lines. It takes forever to get out of the store. It use to be they prided themselves on opening another checkout lane as soon as there was more then three to five people waiting in line, and baggers were always available so zip out the door. They advertised how good their customer service was. When they had actual staff, the employees would tell me how good it was to work there. Not anymore. Strangely enough, the more they cut staff, they less I go there. Trader Joe's doesn't have everything I want but it's quick, and the many employees do not look like prisoner camp inmates biding their time until their sentence is up. I notice some of the smaller grocery stores are also like Trader Joe's, so I try to go to them too rather than the big chains.

As far as I know, all of these businesses that are bringing in kiosks, and getting rid of the staff, are making a profit already. It seems like the companies are trying to squeeze the last tiny bit out of any expenses whatsoever. Instead of maybe improving the customer service, or increasing employee training, and satisfaction, or something else beside making everyone else life miserable? I would would think customer, and employee, happiness make improve their loyalty and maybe improve sales. Perhaps that's old fashion, but I think these MBA executive jackasses seem to be clueless.
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Re: Income Inequality

Post by SuburbanFarmer » Sun Feb 26, 2017 10:35 pm

What treephones? I don't get it.

Lol hard at proposing any megacorp would give a fuck about customer service or employees. That's not a concern, once you're the only game in town.
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Re: Income Inequality

Post by Ex-California » Sun Feb 26, 2017 11:04 pm

PartyOf5 wrote:
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California wrote: False equivalency. This was happening long before there was any talk of $15/hour minimum wage. I think Carl's Jr had self-order kiosks in like 2008.

Anyway, they'll quickly find that its more efficient to replace the machines with workers. All of the grocery stores, especially the Union ones with $15+/hr clerks, are replacing all the self-checkout lanes with express lanes. Bringing more jobs and less computers

But feel free to believe whatever suits your narrative
True story. The local Home Depot and grocery store went down to a single manned checkout lane and a bunch of kiosks, and people still wait in line for the cashier.

Consumer choice overrides automation.
Using the kiosk is a consumer choice. :roll:

Maybe the reason there is a line is because cashier is slower than the kiosks. A certain percentage of people will wait for the cashier because they are afraid of the kiosks. Sorry guys, but I don't see any reversal to more cashiers and less self checkouts. I see the opposite.
They just took them out at the Albertson's by my house and are removing them at more

http://www.ocregister.com/articles/self ... ckout.html
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Re: Income Inequality

Post by Fife » Sun Feb 26, 2017 11:22 pm

California wrote:They just took them out at the Albertson's by my house and are removing them at more

http://www.ocregister.com/articles/self ... ckout.html
“In areas where we have a more tech-savvy customer base, like Northern California, there are more stores that have them. In stores where the self-checkouts aren’t as popular, a division might put in more express lanes,” spokeswoman Christine Wilcox said.
Yep, that's racist.

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Re: Income Inequality

Post by Ex-California » Mon Feb 27, 2017 6:28 am

Fife wrote:
California wrote:They just took them out at the Albertson's by my house and are removing them at more

http://www.ocregister.com/articles/self ... ckout.html
“In areas where we have a more tech-savvy customer base, like Northern California, there are more stores that have them. In stores where the self-checkouts aren’t as popular, a division might put in more express lanes,” spokeswoman Christine Wilcox said.
Yep, that's racist.
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Re: Income Inequality

Post by PartyOf5 » Mon Feb 27, 2017 7:35 am

Anytime someone from CA posts about things related to common sense or costs of products there needs to be a disclaimer attached. Nothing against you personally Cali, but that place is an alternate reality. $12/hr. there is like $25 in the Midwest. You state does so many screwy things it's like a giant test lab in there.

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Re: Income Inequality

Post by PartyOf5 » Mon Feb 27, 2017 7:43 am

GrumpyCatFace wrote: So do the executives of your favorite retail megacorp. But they're wrong.

In discussions with friends, both young and old, all prefer the normal checkout line to the hassle of getting things to scan correctly, the idiotic 'weight-check' of your bags that never works right, and having to bag it up yourself. And God help you, if you're paying with cash.

People are choosing the cashier, and it's not changing. Those kiosks are empty, or nearly so, every single time.
Maybe you live in one of those "not so tech savvy" areas. You can give personal anecdotes all day and I can call you on my own that say the opposite.

I will grant you there are certain types of purchases that still lend themselves better to a cashier. People who have a cart packed full of groceries are going to the cashier rather than check out themselves. The self-checkouts at the grocery, hardware, and chain stores like Wal-mart are expanding are are frequently used. The ones by me have an employee manning every 4-8 of these to take care of questions or the "please place in bagging area" issues that come up. The kiosks may be empty because people can get through them so quickly. Partly because they are being used for the smaller purchases.

Paying with cash is easy, I'm not sure why you need God to help you with that. Well, I have some theories, but I'll avoid that path. :twisted:

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Re: Income Inequality

Post by apeman » Mon Feb 27, 2017 7:51 am

1. I usually choose self check out
2. Amazon is the first example of a "megacorp" at the top of its industry with astonishingly good customer service
3. I hate phone trees and even changed my bank to a bank where a human picks up the phone. The only evil-phone-tree corps I am forced to deal with are utilities like Time Warner Cable, which has quasi-monopoly control of my business.

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Re: Income Inequality

Post by SuburbanFarmer » Mon Feb 27, 2017 7:51 am

PartyOf5 wrote:
GrumpyCatFace wrote: So do the executives of your favorite retail megacorp. But they're wrong.

In discussions with friends, both young and old, all prefer the normal checkout line to the hassle of getting things to scan correctly, the idiotic 'weight-check' of your bags that never works right, and having to bag it up yourself. And God help you, if you're paying with cash.

People are choosing the cashier, and it's not changing. Those kiosks are empty, or nearly so, every single time.
Maybe you live in one of those "not so tech savvy" areas. You can give personal anecdotes all day and I can call you on my own that say the opposite.

I will grant you there are certain types of purchases that still lend themselves better to a cashier. People who have a cart packed full of groceries are going to the cashier rather than check out themselves. The self-checkouts at the grocery, hardware, and chain stores like Wal-mart are expanding are are frequently used. The ones by me have an employee manning every 4-8 of these to take care of questions or the "please place in bagging area" issues that come up. The kiosks may be empty because people can get through them so quickly. Partly because they are being used for the smaller purchases.

Paying with cash is easy, I'm not sure why you need God to help you with that. Well, I have some theories, but I'll avoid that path. :twisted:
It's easy, unless you happen to have a crumpled bill, or the machine simply doesn't want to accept what you give it.

I'll concede that they're more popular with small purchases, and not large bulk. Still, I have no incentive to use a machine and bag the shit myself, when I could have a human do it for me. Make those kiosks cheaper, and watch them fill up. As it stands, I'm just saving the store money, by doing it. Fuck them.
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Re: Income Inequality

Post by Kazmyr » Mon Feb 27, 2017 7:52 am

For everyone who bitches about bagging at the kiosk, expect to see something like this: https://stopandshop.com/shopping/shopping-tools/scanit/

I used to use this all the time when I lived right next to a Stop n' Plop. Works great, especially when all of the cashiers have lines 5-6 people deep due to the impending "snowpocalypse."

Also, the one minor, annoying thing about this is getting randomly audited when you're checking out to make sure you're not passing off those expensive blood oranges as regular navels.
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