The 4th Turning - our current events

[Smitty-48]

Trump and Brexits appeal was far greater than just the anti-globalism crowd, the anti-globalism crowd aren't the majority of Trump or Brexit voters, not even close, you just wish they were StA.

Trump and Brexit being opposed to globalization is a misreading of the terrain.

Trump and Brexit is the reassertion of the Anglo-American Empire, which is the very thing which globalized the world in the first place.

America First, is what has brought Westphalia down, the American Hegenomy is the mechanism of individual sovereignty spreading to the four corners of the earth, and in doing so, has brought all the Iron Curtains down in the process.

Americans and Englishmen want it both ways, but it doesn't work that way, no crown, no sovereign but the masses, is a double edged sword.

You overthrow the crown heads of Europe, you overthrow the Iron Curtains with it, there's no having your sovereign and eating it too.

[StCapps]

Trump and Brexits appeal was far greater than just the anti-globalism crowd, the anti-globalism crowd aren't the majority of Trump or Brexit voters, not even close, you just wish they were StA.

Trump and Brexit being opposed to globalization is a misreading of the terrain, Trump and Brexit is the reassertion of the Anglo-American Empire, which is the very thing which globalized the world in the first place.

America First, is what has brought Westphalia down, the American Hegenomy is the mechanism of individual sovereignty spreading to the four corners of the earth, and in doing so, has brought all the Iron Curtains down in the process.

Indeed. Trump and Brexit didn't win because they rejected globalism, they won because they said they could get America and Britain a more favorable globalized deal for their country, than they were currently getting at the time, they said that current deal was too favorable to foreigners and not to America or Britain.

Why StA voted for Trump or would have voted for Brexit, that has little to do with why either party won their respective votes.

[Smitty-48]

Exactly, neither Donald Trump nor Nigel Farage said that they were opposed to globalization, quite the opposite, Trump said he was opposed to multilateral deals which do not put America at the top of the pecking order, Farage said he was opposed to the bulwark in Brussels, and Britain should rather go back to America instead, to piggy back on them at the top of the pecking order.

Anglo-American Empire redux, entirely globalized as it was from the start.

[SuburbanFarmer]

Exactly, neither Donald Trump nor Nigel Farage said that they were opposed to globalization, quite the opposite, Trump said he was opposed to multilateral deals which do not put America at the top of the pecking order, Farage said he was opposed to the bulwark in Brussels, and Britain should rather go back to America instead, to piggy back on them at the top of the pecking order.

I don't think I've ever heard Trump use the word "globalism", actually....

Doubt he could pronounce it.

[StCapps]

Exactly, neither Donald Trump nor Nigel Farage said that they were opposed to globalization, quite the opposite, Trump said he was opposed to multilateral deals which do not put America at the top of the pecking order, Farage said he was opposed to the bulwark in Brussels, and Britain should rather go back to America instead, to piggy back on them at the top of the pecking order.

I don't think I've ever heard Trump use the word "globalism", actually....

Doubt he could pronounce it.

That's because there are better words he can use to make the same point.
/shrugs

[Smitty-48]

Exactly, neither Donald Trump nor Nigel Farage said that they were opposed to globalization, quite the opposite, Trump said he was opposed to multilateral deals which do not put America at the top of the pecking order, Farage said he was opposed to the bulwark in Brussels, and Britain should rather go back to America instead, to piggy back on them at the top of the pecking order.

I don't think I've ever heard Trump use the word "globalism", actually....

Doubt he could pronounce it.

Trump is so globalized, he does business with the Kremlin in Moscow, can't get much more over the Iron Curtain than that.

[Hanarchy Montanarchy]

Only the best words for Trump.

[StCapps]

Exactly, neither Donald Trump nor Nigel Farage said that they were opposed to globalization, quite the opposite, Trump said he was opposed to multilateral deals which do not put America at the top of the pecking order, Farage said he was opposed to the bulwark in Brussels, and Britain should rather go back to America instead, to piggy back on them at the top of the pecking order.

I don't think I've ever heard Trump use the word "globalism", actually....

Doubt he could pronounce it.

Trump is so globalized, he does business with the Kremlin in Moscow, can't get much more over the Iron Curtain than that.

If you think that Trump isn't a globalist, then you simply aren't paying attention, and you are projecting your own views on Trump, which is why he's deliberately vague, to convince more rubes he's one of them, so he's light on specifics and lets people fill in the blanks with their own worldview.

Wishful thinking isn't going to turn Trump into an anti-globalist, those aren't the voters who won him the election, and these folks aren't about to turn around and vote for the Democrats if doesn't pursue an extreme anti-globalist agenda anyway, even if they were, which they aren't.

[Smitty-48]

I don't think I've ever heard Trump use the word "globalism", actually....

Doubt he could pronounce it.

Trump is so globalized, he does business with the Kremlin in Moscow, can't get much more over the Iron Curtain than that.

If you think that Trump isn't a globalist, you aren't paying attention, and you are projecting your own views on Trump, which is why he's deliberately vague, to convince more rubes he's one of them, so he's light on specifics and lets people fill in the blanks with their own worldview.

As with all politicians, it's like saying Justin Trudeau is a globalist, when in fact Canada says one thing and then does completely the opposite. We talk a big game about being open to the world, until they actually show up to do business, at which point we slam to door in their faces to prop up entrenched interests in swing ridings in Quebec, who knew?

[SuburbanFarmer]

Trump is so globalized, he does business with the Kremlin in Moscow, can't get much more over the Iron Curtain than that.

If you think that Trump isn't a globalist, you aren't paying attention, and you are projecting your own views on Trump, which is why he's deliberately vague, to convince more rubes he's one of them, so he's light on specifics and lets people fill in the blanks with their own worldview.

As with all politicians, it's like saying Justin Trudeau is a globalist, when in fact Canada says one thing and then does completely the opposite. We talk a big game about being open to the world, until they actually show up to do business, at which point we slam to door in their faces to prop up entrenched interests in swing ridings in Quebec, who knew?

That's not a bad idea, actually.