Alternative Facts

[C-Mag]

Question

If the Press practices good Journalistic Ethics applied to the following, are we talking about this.
1. Responsible analysis of crowd size before reporting it.
2. Asking the Trump Administration if the MLK bust is still in the oval office.

[StCapps]

Question

If the Press practices good Journalistic Ethics applied to the following, are we talking about this.
1. Responsible analysis of crowd size before reporting it.
2. Asking the Trump Administration if the MLK bust is still in the oval office.

No.

[ssu]

This isn't about who had a bigger crowd. This is about the LIES and FAKE NEWS propagated by the MSM.

Actually, if you read the OP, this thread is about the WH press secretary focusing on false facts.

I've condemned the picture that was taken earlier than presented. Done. Now, present me an actual pic taken from the same POV.

Been in an excersize this weekend, so it's nice to find people here exactly at the same point as before, before the inauguration, before the election outcomes, actually....

Yes, the evil media.

Allways false reporting on everything. With LIES and FAKE NEWS. Not just biased, but FAKE. Just like with any reporting that there would have been a schism between Trump and the CIA, that Trump would have a contentious relationship with the CIA, for example.


(You know at first I think the CIA crowd were respecting Trump's Wall, but then of course it was where his speech was given.)

I think the vitriolic and divisive mood of the elections is here to stay. Won't go away.

Of course, now it's the midterms or 2020 elections, right?

[K@th]

The corporate media are a bunch of hacks and now their pissed because they are getting called on it.

My issue is they way they are getting called on it.

The press painted a picture that was false. We agree.

Do you think an appropriate way to handle this is to lie? During the first ever press conference? He did not have the largest crowd size ever.

I agree with this. This was a very appropriate statement to make.

"Photographs of the inaugural proceedings were intentionally framed in a way, in one particular Tweet, to minimize the enormous support that had gathered on the National Mall," Spicer said on Jan. 21

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Demonstrably false. A lie.

"That was the largest audience to witness an inauguration, period. Both in person and around the globe."

Not a good way to start. If you want to dress down the press, by all means.... take 'em on. But, don't counter lies with more lies..... that's not a winning strategy.

[StCapps]

But, don't counter lies with more lies..... that's not a winning strategy.

You say that like most of the electorate are capable of telling what the truth is on any partisan political issue. It is a winning strategy, it worked for Trump all campaign. If you portray a more compelling story, than it most certainly is a winning strategy, the truth is irrelevant when it comes to winning elections. If your lies are more entertaining than theirs, you win, Trump's victory should have taught you that.

[K@th]

But, don't counter lies with more lies..... that's not a winning strategy.

You say that like most people are capable of telling what the truth is. It is a winning strategy, it worked for Trump all campaign.

We disagree. If the first thing the press secretary says is a lie, he starts out of the gate with no credibility whatsoever. Losing strategy. The media should be spanked, but there are plenty of opportunities to do that without lying.

[StCapps]

We disagree. If the first thing the press secretary says is a lie, he starts out of the gate with no credibility whatsoever. Losing strategy. The media should be spanked, but there are plenty of opportunities to do that without lying.

The Press Secretary does not need high levels of credibility, he should be aiming to have more credibility than the press and that is not a difficult task with their behavior as of late. So far the Press Sec is achieving his aim and isn't in any real danger of failure, hence winning strategy. As long as it's a counter lie, it won't hurt him much at all, unprovoked lying will reduce credibility at a much higher rate and that's why the media's credibility is so low in comparison to the Press Sec.

As long as the media stick to their current gameplan and Spicer looks to counter their lies even with other lies, then he's sitting pretty. If you use kid gloves and never lie, the media will eat his lunch, he can't remain purely on the defensive, that's a losing strategy. He has no choice but to answer back with some offense if he's going to do his job effectively. The exact number isn't important, pretending that Trump's inauguration is as large as possible is to Trump's benefit when it comes to the perception of the masses, embellishment is irrelevant.

[K@th]

So you agree with the press secretary that Trump had the biggest inauguration crowd ever? Can you prove it with facts & data?

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/hotel- ... 2017-01-17

Hotels this week are for the most part full, especially at the higher end, based on calls to more than a dozen properties. Despite a surge of cancellations after Trump’s surprise victory, bookings for the Jan. 20 swearing-in celebrations are on par with Obama’s second inauguration in 2013, according to Destination DC, the capital’s tourism and visitor bureau. Yet it may be opposition to the president-elect that’s helping to prop up lodging demand.

Keep in mind that the women's march generated almost 100K more rides than Friday.

Note that neither this inauguration or Obama's second inauguration topped the figures for the 2009 inauguration.

[K@th]

If you use kid gloves and never lie, the media will eat his lunch, he can't remain purely on the defensive, that's a losing strategy. He has no choice but to answer back with some offense if he's going to do his job effectively.

Losing strategy. Nobody is talking about policy and is instead using facts & data to show how the WH is always lying. Terrible strategy.

[StCapps]

So you agree with the press secretary that Trump had the biggest inauguration crowd ever? Can you prove it with facts & data?

No I don't agree and backing it up with facts and data isn't important to the electorate. If he tells the better lie than that will go over better than the media's lie.