Sessions to California: Federal Law is Supreme, We Will Kill You

[Fife]

I don't know if any of you have listened to or read any Brion McClanahan, but some of you would dig him the most. Some of you wouldn't know critical historical reading / listening it smacked you in the ass.

Podcast Episode 131: Does Original Intent Prove Seccesion is Illegal?

Over my vacation last week I received an email chain debating secession. One participant claimed that not only did the Constitution explicitly forbid secession, the founding generation thought it was illegal as well. For evidence, he cited a couple of lines from the Federalist and an incorrectly cited quote from George Washington’s letter to the Congress dated September 17, 1787. As they say, the devil is in the details. Both pieces of evidence were taken out of context, and while it could be argued that Hamilton was against secession, his duplicity invalidates almost anything he said on any topic. I wrote an entire book on that. My course on secession at the McClanahan Academy covers much of the arguments against secession, but I thought it would be useful to cover two of the quotes that this individual believes “prove” secession was and is illegal.

https://www.brionmcclanahan.com/blog/po ... s-illegal/

[Speaker to Animals]

I don't see how it could possibly be considered "legal" to rip a chunk out of a country. Expecting them to be cool with that is to ignore all of human history.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secession ... _secession



Basically, "if you win, you can secede".

The Constitution contains no language that prohibits secession, and in two places explicitly limits the federal government's powers to only those enumerated therein.

Secession is constitutional, dude.

If the document does not list such a power, then it does not exist.

LOL The Constitution doesn't specifically prohibit rape and murder, but you'll find the government rather slow to accept that as well.

Tenth Amendment:

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

NOWHERE does the Constitution delegate to the federal government the authority to deny secession.

[Speaker to Animals]

Let California go.

[SuburbanFarmer]

The Constitution contains no language that prohibits secession, and in two places explicitly limits the federal government's powers to only those enumerated therein.

Secession is constitutional, dude.

If the document does not list such a power, then it does not exist.

LOL The Constitution doesn't specifically prohibit rape and murder, but you'll find the government rather slow to accept that as well.

Tenth Amendment:

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

NOWHERE does the Constitution delegate to the federal government the authority to deny secession.

Ok. Argue that in court, and see how it goes.

Better yet, find one example in human history of a peaceful secession with loss of territory by a sovereign nation.

[Speaker to Animals]

LOL The Constitution doesn't specifically prohibit rape and murder, but you'll find the government rather slow to accept that as well.

Tenth Amendment:

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

NOWHERE does the Constitution delegate to the federal government the authority to deny secession.

Ok. Argue that in court, and see how it goes.

Better yet, find one example in human history of a peaceful secession with loss of territory by a sovereign nation.

What you are telling me is that the social contract is now violated and we are in a state of civil war right now.

[SuburbanFarmer]

Tenth Amendment:



NOWHERE does the Constitution delegate to the federal government the authority to deny secession.

Ok. Argue that in court, and see how it goes.

Better yet, find one example in human history of a peaceful secession with loss of territory by a sovereign nation.

What you are telling me is that the social contract is now violated and we are in a state of civil war right now.

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I guess that depends on what you thought the social contract was?

[Speaker to Animals]

Ok. Argue that in court, and see how it goes.

Better yet, find one example in human history of a peaceful secession with loss of territory by a sovereign nation.

What you are telling me is that the social contract is now violated and we are in a state of civil war right now.

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I guess that depends on what you thought the social contract was?

You just said that, despite what the Constitution says, if California attempts to secede, which is their right as a state, the federal government will start killing people.

How is that not the condition necessary for a civil war?

The Constitution isn't a suicide pact.

[DBTrek]

Better yet, find one example in human history of a peaceful secession with loss of territory by a sovereign nation.

Norway.

[Speaker to Animals]

Californians are not like the rest of us for the most part. They are becoming their own distinct people. They should continue down their own path.

[SuburbanFarmer]

What you are telling me is that the social contract is now violated and we are in a state of civil war right now.

E93DD680-579B-451A-9B44-AF8763F87E43.jpeg

I guess that depends on what you thought the social contract was?

You just said that, despite what the Constitution says, if California attempts to secede, which is their right as a state, the federal government will start killing people.

How is that not the conditions necessary for a civil war?

The Constitution isn't a suicide pact.

It's a perfect recipe for a civil war. But since California hasn't actually attempted to secede, I wouldn't say that we're in a "state of civil war". Pretty far from it.

As I see it, California said 'fuck the rules, I do muh own thing', and the Feds threatened to send in the troops to quell their rebellious attitude.

If California suddenly drums up their guard troops, and mustering people, then it's a war. Otherwise, it's just some very weird squabbling, for now.