Another School Shooting (Wrong Narrative Though)

[DrYouth]

So no more public education?

lol

Would voluntary enrolment in public school solve the problem?

[SuburbanFarmer]

I honestly can't even picture what happens without at least some level of mandatory schooling.

Obviously, some kids would be fine, most parents at least want them to be learned. But there would be a massive underclass of illiterate beggars - pretty much all of the lower classes, and some middle-class kids. We'd bring on total Idiocracy within a generation.

[Okeefenokee]

How did the world get through thousands of years without mandatory public schooling?

The world may never know.

[K@th]

I honestly can't even picture what happens without at least some level of mandatory schooling.

Not all that long ago, most kids went to school through the 8th grade. Somehow, we ended up, here. Those same kids also used to bring guns to school.

/shrugs - The older I get the more I turn away from central planning. It's so utterly inefficient in every way possible.

[Speaker to Animals]

I honestly can't even picture what happens without at least some level of mandatory schooling.

Obviously, some kids would be fine, most parents at least want them to be learned. But there would be a massive underclass of illiterate beggars - pretty much all of the lower classes, and some middle-class kids. We'd bring on total Idiocracy within a generation.

We got by just fine without government schools for a long time. In fact, most freshmen in universities were mid-teens. A journeyman in a trade was essentially a kid as well.

In the cities, the Catholic Church started educating their own kids. That freaked the Protestants out like mad. They instituted mandatory government schools so they could indoctrinate the Catholic out of kids.

Then the Marxists took control of the government school and now they are trying to brainwash kids into being democrats.

It's pretty fucked up when you think about it. Without the government schools, we'd get by just fine. We'd figure it out on our own. We don't need Daddy Government solving every last problem. Education is one of those things we can damned well do on our own. The reason people want government schools is because they want to control the schools and thus control what future adults are allowed to think.

[Penner]

There was another school shooting this week, in Dalton GA. Don't feel bad if you haven't heard much, or anything, about it. The facts of that story are ALL wrong for our great national conversation.

Georgia teacher arrested after firing gun in school, police say

(CNN)A north Georgia high school teacher was arrested on Wednesday after he barricaded himself in a classroom and fired a shot from his handgun out of a window, police said.

No one was injured in the incident at Dalton High School, except for a female student who injured an ankle running through the school, police spokesman Bruce Frazier said.
The shooting about 85 miles north of Atlanta heightened the already tense debate around guns in schools in the wake of the deadly mass shooting in Parkland, Florida, two weeks ago.

Cops: Teacher in custody after barricading self in classroom with gun, firing shot

DALTON, Ga. -- A teacher is in custody after police say he barricaded himself inside a classroom at a high school in northwest Georgia Wednesday and fired a shot.

The situation at Dalton High School in Dalton began around 11:30 a.m. when the social studies teacher, identified by police as Jesse Randal Davidson, 53, blocked students from entering his class, school principal Steve Bartoo told reporters.

Bartoo said he and an assistant principal helped get the students into another classroom before Bartoo tried to make contact with Davidson by knocking on the door. He said Davidson slammed the door and yelled for him to go away while making "nonsensical noises."

Bartoo said he called the school resource officer, who was at a middle school campus, and explained that Davidson wasn't allowing students into his classroom and "wasn't making any sense." He asked the school resource officer to return to campus.

Bartoo said he tried to unlock the door and Davidson then again slammed it, saying, "Don't come in here, I have a gun."

Now, before we consider making government school teachers into some kind of impromptu SWAT team, let's consider the larger issue of the very nature of the government school / indoctrination / child-prison system, and as a case study, let's look at one of those proposed armed guards who gets permanent tenure as a union-protected made-man:

Cops: Teacher who fired shot in classroom once tried confess to murder

A North Georgia social studies teacher, known as the longtime “radio voice” of Dalton High School football and basketball, is facing charges after he fired at least one shot inside a classroom Wednesday, and he once tried to confess to having someone killed, police said.

The alleged confession was one of two previous incidents involving Randal Davidson and local police.

Dalton police could not verify any of the information Davidson said on March 21, 2016, about having two friends kill someone on his behalf. Police ultimately took him to Hamilton Medical Center because he was having suicidal thoughts, according to a police report. The school was made aware of the incident, police said.

Then, in January 2017, Davidson disappeared from the high school campus after saying he didn’t feel well and leaving early. He was found hours later sitting on a curb about a mile away, unable or unwilling to respond to police, according to the report. He was again taken to the hospital and no further action was taken by officers.

https://www.ajc.com/news/crime--law/bre ... bTp9ygdWJ/

Police reports: Dalton High teacher had previous medical episodes

Another police report, filed on March 21, 2016, says Davidson went to police because he "wanted to confess to having someone killed."

The report says Davidson told police he was on "several different medications for depression" and had just gotten out of the hospital that day.

Police say they "were not able to verify any information that he provided to be accurate." The report says Davidson appeared to "be delusional or have something else that had occurred that is causing him to have these thoughts."

Davidson was taken to Hamilton Medical Center after talking with police "based on him thinking about hurting himself."

http://www.wrcbtv.com/story/37618047/po ... l-episodes

Some jobs are so important only the state can do them, eh?

Oh, but why do some people want to arm teachers? What could go wrong?

[Penner]

I honestly can't even picture what happens without at least some level of mandatory schooling.

Not all that long ago, most kids went to school through the 8th grade. Somehow, we ended up, here. Those same kids also used to bring guns to school.

/shrugs - The older I get the more I turn away from central planning. It's so utterly inefficient in every way possible.

Back in the day, those kids weren't armed, at least in the settlement areas. Today, we are talking about shit that even the Western era towns thought were a bad idea. Most places out west would have their law enforcement officers confiscate all guns from people going into town and the would give them the gun back once they leave town. They believe that too many people with guns was a bad idea back then but today apparently having EVERYONE armed is now a mandatory thing.

The image of everyone walking around with guns in the west was popularised by Hollywood through the Westerns.

[Speaker to Animals]

Kids used to bring guns to school, Penner. They had rifle practice, etc. I talked with a relatively famous knife maker a few years back and, even in Chicago, the guy used to ride the bus to school with his rifle on those days.

It wasn't the guns that changed. It was the demographics and the alienation/disintegration of society.

Shit only just changed when I was a kid mostly because of all the South Americans and Caribbeans that showed up with gang warfare in the late 70s, early 80s..

[Speaker to Animals]

There was another school shooting this week, in Dalton GA. Don't feel bad if you haven't heard much, or anything, about it. The facts of that story are ALL wrong for our great national conversation.

Georgia teacher arrested after firing gun in school, police say

(CNN)A north Georgia high school teacher was arrested on Wednesday after he barricaded himself in a classroom and fired a shot from his handgun out of a window, police said.

No one was injured in the incident at Dalton High School, except for a female student who injured an ankle running through the school, police spokesman Bruce Frazier said.
The shooting about 85 miles north of Atlanta heightened the already tense debate around guns in schools in the wake of the deadly mass shooting in Parkland, Florida, two weeks ago.

Cops: Teacher in custody after barricading self in classroom with gun, firing shot

DALTON, Ga. -- A teacher is in custody after police say he barricaded himself inside a classroom at a high school in northwest Georgia Wednesday and fired a shot.

The situation at Dalton High School in Dalton began around 11:30 a.m. when the social studies teacher, identified by police as Jesse Randal Davidson, 53, blocked students from entering his class, school principal Steve Bartoo told reporters.

Bartoo said he and an assistant principal helped get the students into another classroom before Bartoo tried to make contact with Davidson by knocking on the door. He said Davidson slammed the door and yelled for him to go away while making "nonsensical noises."

Bartoo said he called the school resource officer, who was at a middle school campus, and explained that Davidson wasn't allowing students into his classroom and "wasn't making any sense." He asked the school resource officer to return to campus.

Bartoo said he tried to unlock the door and Davidson then again slammed it, saying, "Don't come in here, I have a gun."

Now, before we consider making government school teachers into some kind of impromptu SWAT team, let's consider the larger issue of the very nature of the government school / indoctrination / child-prison system, and as a case study, let's look at one of those proposed armed guards who gets permanent tenure as a union-protected made-man:

Cops: Teacher who fired shot in classroom once tried confess to murder

A North Georgia social studies teacher, known as the longtime “radio voice” of Dalton High School football and basketball, is facing charges after he fired at least one shot inside a classroom Wednesday, and he once tried to confess to having someone killed, police said.

The alleged confession was one of two previous incidents involving Randal Davidson and local police.

Dalton police could not verify any of the information Davidson said on March 21, 2016, about having two friends kill someone on his behalf. Police ultimately took him to Hamilton Medical Center because he was having suicidal thoughts, according to a police report. The school was made aware of the incident, police said.

Then, in January 2017, Davidson disappeared from the high school campus after saying he didn’t feel well and leaving early. He was found hours later sitting on a curb about a mile away, unable or unwilling to respond to police, according to the report. He was again taken to the hospital and no further action was taken by officers.

https://www.ajc.com/news/crime--law/bre ... bTp9ygdWJ/

Police reports: Dalton High teacher had previous medical episodes

Another police report, filed on March 21, 2016, says Davidson went to police because he "wanted to confess to having someone killed."

The report says Davidson told police he was on "several different medications for depression" and had just gotten out of the hospital that day.

Police say they "were not able to verify any information that he provided to be accurate." The report says Davidson appeared to "be delusional or have something else that had occurred that is causing him to have these thoughts."

Davidson was taken to Hamilton Medical Center after talking with police "based on him thinking about hurting himself."

http://www.wrcbtv.com/story/37618047/po ... l-episodes

Some jobs are so important only the state can do them, eh?

Oh, but why do some people want to arm teachers? What could go wrong?

Oh.. and this doesn't help your side one bit. That teacher was NOT supposed to bring a gun to school. The school was a gun-free zone. He brought it anyway and fired off rounds. Furthermore, the school system kept on a mentally-deranged man as a teacher around children. Not something a pro-government school, pro-gun control person should really want to bring up.

[Penner]

I honestly can't even picture what happens without at least some level of mandatory schooling.

Obviously, some kids would be fine, most parents at least want them to be learned. But there would be a massive underclass of illiterate beggars - pretty much all of the lower classes, and some middle-class kids. We'd bring on total Idiocracy within a generation.

I just can't picture everyone being able to afford private schooling. Not even with vouchers, there are going to be parents that still can't afford private school for these kids. This will just increase in illiteracy and Idiocracy: