Trump on Iran

[K@th]

If you look at the past several elections, Americans came out strong for the candidate who wants to end all these wars of empire, only for those candidates to continue doing it anyway.

They get to replace green army men for the real thing. All those shiny new planes & bombs... what is likely a super-sick Sit Room...

No personal consequences, and not really for your party either.

Nothing but upside.

[DrYouth]

I'm curious what Smitty has to say about this Iran situation.

Anything to watch.... worry about?

Obviously on it's own Iran is no threat... but is there potential for geopolitical escalation?

Has he weighed in on the topic somewhere already?

[Smitty-48]

Not paying any attention to Iran, no interest, they don't have ICBM's, so they can go fuck themselves.

The Iranians are the Israelis problem, why would we care? Are you a Jew?

Shouldn't you be more worried about India? What with you kneedippers electing a Sikh nationalist as leader of your party, now we've got the Indians pissed off at us. Bad for business that.

[DrYouth]

Not paying any attention to Iran, no interest, they don't have ICBM's, so they can go fuck themselves.

The Iranians are the Israelis problem, why would we care? Are you a Jew?

Shouldn't you be more worried about India? What with you kneedippers electing a Sikh nationalist as leader of your party, now we've got the Indians pissed off at us. Bad for business that.

I don't care really...

Just aware that the middle east is a hornet''s nest of geopolitics.

I guess if Trump tears it up Iran, is going back to it's nuclear ambitions... not really sure that adds up to anything very interesting tho.

Maybe that's fine... no idea... that's why I'm asking you.

[Smitty-48]

Not paying any attention to Iran, no interest, they don't have ICBM's, so they can go fuck themselves.

The Iranians are the Israelis problem, why would we care? Are you a Jew?

Shouldn't you be more worried about India? What with you kneedippers electing a Sikh nationalist as leader of your party, now we've got the Indians pissed off at us. Bad for business that.

I don't care really...

Just aware that the middle east is a hornet''s nest of geopolitics.

I guess if Trump tears it up Iran, is going back to it's nuclear ambitions... not really sure that adds up to anything very interesting tho.

Maybe that's fine... no idea... that's why I'm asking you.

I seriously doubt that Iran has in fact given up their nuclear ambitions, I would suspect that they are simply buying themselves time in the near term, to stave off the effects of American sanctions and/or possible military action to interdict them.

As the GOP has rightly pointed out, Iran is continuing to develop their ballistic missile capabilities, and such ballistic missiles are largely useless for all intents and purposes conventional warfare related, can't do much damage with a conventional ballistic missile, so I would accept the assertion that their pursuit of intertheater ballistic missile capablity, is very plausibly the de facto pursuit of intertheater nuclear capability, simply delaying the nuclear component for now, while pursuing the rest of the components in the meantime, parallel development.

Moreover, in terms of the warheads to put on their missiles, the Iranians have viable alternatives to a domestic development program, quite sure Kim Jong Un would be willing to make a deal, oil for nukes, why wouldn't he? No doubt the North Koreans intend to leverage their nuclear capabilities, in far more ways than simply deterring an attack against them, it's their all purpose ace in the hole, nukes open up all sorts of doors for them, one stop shopping.

[Speaker to Animals]

Saudi Arabia and Israel will get them before we do.

[Smitty-48]

The Iranians would hand Saudi Arabia their asses, the Saudis couldn't fight their way out of a wet paper bag.

The Israelis have survivable second strike, but only just, Popeye Turbo from SSK, not exactly a sure bet.

The IDF would have to get their SSK from the eastern Mediterranean, to the Persian Gulf, through the Straights of Hormuz, in order to hit Tehran, that would be a perilous journey indeed.

[Fife]

Saudi Arabia and Israel will get them before we do.

Good!

Why in hell should we give a shit about who Saudis and Israelis are poking at?

[Smitty-48]

The Israeli Jericho land based deterrent must be reliant on the Pentagon's DSP early warning, as how else would they detect an Iranian launch?

Even with detection, considering the flight time from Iran, the Israelis would have to be on quite the hair trigger indeed, the Knesset would, even with American assistance, only have about 30 second to make up their minds in a launch on warning scenario.

Iran and Israel on a hair trigger, without much survivable second strike deterrence to speak of, that would supplant India and Pakistan as the most perilous nuclear fault line on earth,

[Speaker to Animals]

People need to understand that the Arabs, in general, hate the Iranians more than they hate the Jews in Israel. I don't think the Arab League + Israel would countenance a nuclear weapons program in Iran. This won't be like North Korea.