President Delivers - US Sovereignty > Globalist Opinion

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Re: President Delivers - US Sovereignty > Globalist Opinion

Post by StCapps » Sun Dec 03, 2017 12:59 pm

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Kath wrote:Well, a broken clock is right twice a day. Fixing our immigration debacle is one thing I agree with him on. I still don't support a wall.
What if the term "wall" is just a visual anchor for increased border security in general? Did you ever think of that?
Seeing as how he's having numerous physical wall prototypes built, I don't think he means what you think he means. You are the self-proclaimed Trump whisperer, though. :lol:
Trump won't build a wall across the entire border, just portions of it that could use it, or a maybe just a few minor portions in token effort, just to say he built a wall, but it's not his entire border security plan, far from it, and if you think it is, you've been fooled campaign rhetoric. The wall is marketing buzzword, not a hard policy proposal whose fine details are not open to change. It fits the bill as one of his Outrageous Opening Offers to increase negotiation leverage, this shit is right of The Art Of The Deal.

Trump just left out the finer details because it doesn't sell as well as a visual image that sticks in people's minds. Most of the electorate don't care about the finer details of policy proposals, including most of the people who think they do care about that. It's all about the feelz and Trump played to that with the wall, and it worked beautifully. A policy wonk immigration border security plan would simply not have been as effective a pitch to the electorate, if you think it would be, then you think far too highly of the average voter and are projecting your own voting standards upon people who don't not share them.
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Re: President Delivers - US Sovereignty > Globalist Opinion

Post by C-Mag » Sun Dec 03, 2017 1:40 pm

Kath wrote:Well, a broken clock is right twice a day. Fixing our immigration debacle is one thing I agree with him on. I still don't support a wall.
Nothing but a fucking echo chamber up in here.




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Post by clubgop » Sun Dec 03, 2017 2:06 pm

Kath wrote:Well, a broken clock is right twice a day. Fixing our immigration debacle is one thing I agree with him on. I still don't support a wall.
Why not? You expect CPB agents to stand shoulder to shoulder like Spartans? There has to be some sort of barrier.

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Re: President Delivers - US Sovereignty > Globalist Opinion

Post by BjornP » Sun Dec 03, 2017 2:29 pm

DBTrek wrote:Guarantee the forefathers never foresaw the day when stating that America remains in control of its own immigration policy would be a radical position. I'm still surprised it's a radical position. Yet somehow we've come to this place where the fact that America has the right to determine its own policies and destiny needs to be aired in a global forum. I guess it's not self evident to a bunch of self-important rejects from second rate nations.
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So this voluntary UN pact as they call it in the article, means that signatories let the UN decide on how many refugees each country gets, and from where? That about right?
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Post by K@th » Sun Dec 03, 2017 2:47 pm

clubgop wrote:
Kath wrote:Well, a broken clock is right twice a day. Fixing our immigration debacle is one thing I agree with him on. I still don't support a wall.
Why not? You expect CPB agents to stand shoulder to shoulder like Spartans? There has to be some sort of barrier.
I think there are smarter, less expensive, more effective options. A wall is just theater.
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Post by DBTrek » Sun Dec 03, 2017 2:55 pm

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So this voluntary UN pact as they call it in the article, means that signatories let the UN decide on how many refugees each country gets, and from where? That about right?
Don’t know, don’t care, doesn’t matter.

We’ll handle our immigration, thanks.
You guys can go back to your mutual handjob club and jack each other off over who gets how many immigrants from where (thus determining Who gets prime peacock standing in the game of self annihilation). You all have such an outstanding record, after all.
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Re: President Delivers - US Sovereignty > Globalist Opinion

Post by StCapps » Sun Dec 03, 2017 3:01 pm

Kath wrote:
clubgop wrote:
Kath wrote:Well, a broken clock is right twice a day. Fixing our immigration debacle is one thing I agree with him on. I still don't support a wall.
Why not? You expect CPB agents to stand shoulder to shoulder like Spartans? There has to be some sort of barrier.
I think there are smarter, less expensive, more effective options. A wall is just theater.
"The Wall" sells the smarter, less expensive, more effective options better than they could have if they just pitched them on their own, or if all the options had received equal focus with "The Wall". Which is why Trump focused on it and made little mention of finer policy details. Trump ignored the facts that didn't help him, to focus on the feelz that did, that's just good politics.
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Post by Fife » Sun Dec 03, 2017 3:02 pm

The "wall" is impossible per the Dept of IRL Logistics.

Even as political theater, it's crap.

I'll fix the country without a wall.

Just let me end GIBS NATION and let me buy a couple hundred additional high-capacity helicopters from one of the contractors we already have all slicked up.

When immigration is by invitation only from a citizen to an immigrant to enter our non-GIBS nation, it can be free and open all day long. The copter fleet will soon only be needed for actual tourism and relief missions.

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Re: President Delivers - US Sovereignty > Globalist Opinion

Post by StCapps » Sun Dec 03, 2017 3:05 pm

Fife wrote:Even as political theater, it's crap.
It's actually very effective political theater, it convinced Americans that Trump was more hardcore on immigration than any other candidate for POTUS, even though his position on immigration isn't radical at all. All he needed was a catch phrase that evoked a visual image that stuck in people's minds, and to repeat it until the cows came home. Like I said, very effective.
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Post by Fife » Sun Dec 03, 2017 3:07 pm

StCapps wrote:
Fife wrote:Even as political theater, it's crap.
It's actually very effective political theater, it tricked Republicans into thinking Trump was more hardcore on immigration than any other Republicans, even though his position on immigration isn't radical at all. All he needed was a catch phrase that evoked a visual image that stuck in people's minds, that is excellent political theater.
It is a good meme, I'll grant that.

But it comes with an expiration date.