Do CIA Guys Really Glow and Are They Good Boys??

[Ex-California]

The CIA has done more to destabilize the world and endanger American citizens than any other entity, state actor or terrorist, since its inception

So do you want a more effective CIA, a less adventurous CIA, or no CIA?

No CIA

[Speaker to Animals]

I want a CIA with wider and more robust Congressional oversight. Then I want the overhauled committee that oversees them themselves to be monitored by some collection of independent figures who all signed the NDAs and have SCI clearance.

The CIA is not all as bad as people think. There are some good guys over there.

[Fife]

Article V.

Then you can tell me all about them good boys.

[Okeefenokee]

The CIA has done more to destabilize the world and endanger American citizens than any other entity, state actor or terrorist, since its inception

So do you want a more effective CIA, a less adventurous CIA, or no CIA?

Easy, no CIA.

DIA ftw.

[Okeefenokee]

I want a CIA with wider and more robust Congressional oversight. Then I want the overhauled committee that oversees them themselves to be monitored by some collection of independent figures who all signed the NDAs and have SCI clearance.

The CIA is not all as bad as people think. There are some good guys over there.

DIA

[ssu]

When is it time to discuss the acts of this agency over its life span and question if we are really better off because of it?

CIA would examine the possibilities of sabotaging airplane parts which are scheduled to be shipped from Canada to Cuba.

CIA-mafia plot on Castro

CIA plots "False Flags" Terrorist events in Miami

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-10-2 ... -assassina

Compared to the organization from where this man came from, yep, far better. Even if people don't believe it and want to go all Chomsky over it, countries do need intelligence services of some sort.

How well they are lead and how effective the intelligence services are is a totally different question.

[Okeefenokee]

Being forced out of business for refusing to bake a cake is better than being thrown in a meat grinder by ISIS, so it's all good.

[Hanarchy Montanarchy]

The CIA has done more to destabilize the world and endanger American citizens than any other entity, state actor or terrorist, since its inception

Jesus, Chomsky. Castro, the Kims, and Ho Chi Minh agree.

Making the world safe for liberal democracy and market economies takes a little wet work fellas.

[Ph64]

The CIA has done more to destabilize the world and endanger American citizens than any other entity, state actor or terrorist, since its inception

Jesus, Chomsky. Castro, the Kims, and Ho Chi Minh agree.

Making the world safe for liberal democracy and market economies takes a little wet work fellas.

Cough, cough, I believe you left out the word "our" there... our liberal democracy, and our market economy. Mossadegh comes to mind, or doesn't their democratic election and economy count? "Free trade" isn't very free if you aren't allowed to decide who you are willing to trade with, at what price, by your own democratically elected government, is it?

Here's a question - Afghanistan...



Would Afghanistan be better off today if instead of funding the Mujadin (later to morph into Al-Qaeda) we let Russia take the country, and then a decade later the USSR collapsed and they became their own government - like all the other former Soviet countries?

If we'd never fought in Vietnam, and just let the north win (which we did anyways), would they not be a trade economy with us now anyways, like they are now? 60,000 or so US lives... for what exactly?

[Hanarchy Montanarchy]

Damn straight our.

Afghanistan didn't work out? Meh, cry me a river of crocodile tears. They can become a liberal, market economy anytime they like. They just have to stop democratically electing the Taliban.

Technology has made intelligence more valuable than brute force in everything. Militaries are no exception. Now, when a traditional, brute force military operation goes sideways, we can usually recognize that individuals screwed up,or it was a good plan that just didn't pan out, without hemming an hawing over eliminating the entire apparatus... unless you are some sort of dewy-eyed pacifist.

Go ahead and keep imagining how perfect the world would be if only we didn't have the perfidious IC, fellas. I'll keep living in the real world.