DACA

[Alexander PhiAlipson]

There is more than just feelz to the argument that we shouldn't penalize children for the crimes of their parents.

An only child's parents commit multiple acts of murder... whatever shall we do?

Median age of DACA is 23 years old??

https://twitter.com/FoxNews/status/905042868875571200

If you cared about citizenship, you may have made an effort by the age of twenty-three; otherwise, I'd say, the fruit hasn't fallen far from the poisonous tree. And shit, I had my Social Security number memorized by the age of sixteen!

[Hanarchy Montanarchy]

There is more than just feelz to the argument that we shouldn't penalize children for the crimes of their parents.

We should not allow parents to be retained in the country they illegally migrated to based solely on the fact they have kids. Are you proposing the state care for these children, or that we should just allow illegal aliens to stay? Make no mistake, the people who migrate illegally aren't the ones lining up to be naturalized. If you handed them citizenship on a silver platter, the majority would refuse.

I don't have a proposal. I can imagine some which penalize the parents, but are maybe a bit draconian, or bureaucratically costly. The first issue might not bother most 'round here, but the second probably would.

But leaving that aside for the moment, it is more than feels or pathos to suggest that it is unjust to punish children whose parents broke a law. It might seem expedient to do so in certain cases, such as this one, but I am not sure that is a line we really want to cross.

[Xenophon]

There is more than just feelz to the argument that we shouldn't penalize children for the crimes of their parents.

We should not allow parents to be retained in the country they illegally migrated to based solely on the fact they have kids. Are you proposing the state care for these children, or that we should just allow illegal aliens to stay? Make no mistake, the people who migrate illegally aren't the ones lining up to be naturalized. If you handed them citizenship on a silver platter, the majority would refuse.

I don't have a proposal. I can imagine some which penalize the parents, but are maybe a bit draconian, or bureaucratically costly. The first issue might not bother most 'round here, but the second probably would.

But leaving that aside for the moment, it is more than feels or pathos to suggest that it is unjust to punish children whose parents broke a law. It might seem expedient to do so in certain cases, such as this one, but I am not sure that is a line we really want to cross.

The parents are responsible for what happens to their children. If Mr. and Mrs. Crackhead go to prison, and the child becomes a ward of the state, it is a sad state of affairs to be sure, but it is the fault of the parents. They should have thought about the potential consequences of their actions when they were contemplating illegal migration.

[Hanarchy Montanarchy]

An only child's parents commit multiple acts of murder... whatever shall we do?

Median age of DACA is 23 years old??

https://twitter.com/FoxNews/status/905042868875571200

If you cared about citizenship, you may have made an effort by the age of twenty-three; otherwise, I'd say, the fruit hasn't fallen far from the poisonous tree. And shit, I had my Social Security number memorized by the age of sixteen!

DACA started in 2012.

[Xenophon]

Median age of DACA is 23 years old??

https://twitter.com/FoxNews/status/905042868875571200

If you cared about citizenship, you may have made an effort by the age of twenty-three; otherwise, I'd say, the fruit hasn't fallen far from the poisonous tree. And shit, I had my Social Security number memorized by the age of sixteen!

DACA started in 2012.

They can begin the immigration process once they're back in Guatemala.

[Ex-California]

An only child's parents commit multiple acts of murder... whatever shall we do?

Median age of DACA is 23 years old??

https://twitter.com/FoxNews/status/905042868875571200

If you cared about citizenship, you may have made an effort by the age of twenty-three; otherwise, I'd say, the fruit hasn't fallen far from the poisonous tree. And shit, I had my Social Security number memorized by the age of sixteen!

Not having an SSN could protect you from both taxation and debt, but it also protects you from a normal job.

Where can i get me one of den fake SSN?

[Hanarchy Montanarchy]

We should not allow parents to be retained in the country they illegally migrated to based solely on the fact they have kids. Are you proposing the state care for these children, or that we should just allow illegal aliens to stay? Make no mistake, the people who migrate illegally aren't the ones lining up to be naturalized. If you handed them citizenship on a silver platter, the majority would refuse.

I don't have a proposal. I can imagine some which penalize the parents, but are maybe a bit draconian, or bureaucratically costly. The first issue might not bother most 'round here, but the second probably would.

But leaving that aside for the moment, it is more than feels or pathos to suggest that it is unjust to punish children whose parents broke a law. It might seem expedient to do so in certain cases, such as this one, but I am not sure that is a line we really want to cross.

The parents are responsible for what happens to their children. If Mr. and Mrs. Crackhead go to prison, and the child becomes a ward of the state, it is a sad state of affairs to be sure, but it is the fault of the parents. They should have thought about the potential consequences of their actions when they were contemplating illegal migration.

Parents being responsible for what happens to their children is precisely the point. Again, it might seem expedient to chuck the kids out, but do we really want to set that as a standard for justice?

[Xenophon]

I don't have a proposal. I can imagine some which penalize the parents, but are maybe a bit draconian, or bureaucratically costly. The first issue might not bother most 'round here, but the second probably would.

But leaving that aside for the moment, it is more than feels or pathos to suggest that it is unjust to punish children whose parents broke a law. It might seem expedient to do so in certain cases, such as this one, but I am not sure that is a line we really want to cross.

The parents are responsible for what happens to their children. If Mr. and Mrs. Crackhead go to prison, and the child becomes a ward of the state, it is a sad state of affairs to be sure, but it is the fault of the parents. They should have thought about the potential consequences of their actions when they were contemplating illegal migration.

Parents being responsible for what happens to their children is precisely the point. Again, it might seem expedient to chuck the kids out, but do we really want to set that as a standard for justice?

Yes. The alternative is to have the state take on the cost of raising the children, or amnesty.

[Alexander PhiAlipson]

DACA started in 2012.

"Started," good word--you mean President Obama wrote it into law. Trump could've ended it today, but he thought he'd give congress a chance to find some solution first, like the authoritarian dictator he is.

[Hanarchy Montanarchy]

The parents are responsible for what happens to their children. If Mr. and Mrs. Crackhead go to prison, and the child becomes a ward of the state, it is a sad state of affairs to be sure, but it is the fault of the parents. They should have thought about the potential consequences of their actions when they were contemplating illegal migration.

Parents being responsible for what happens to their children is precisely the point. Again, it might seem expedient to chuck the kids out, but do we really want to set that as a standard for justice?

Yes. The alternative is to have the state take on the cost of raising the children, or amnesty.

Those are some alternatives. Not the most creative ones.

Either way, I hope none of you wind up committing a crime that the state decides it will be expedient to punish your children for.