Turkey wotes Yes to dictatorship (?)

[StCapps]

Oh, they want Europe, capps. They have wanted Europe for a long time.

Yeah well the EU doesn't help them in that regard, wait til it falls apart and then come to rescue with a new EU like organization that is vastly more favorable to Turkey's interests and not just a deal that is good for Germany and pretty much no one else. It's a no brainer, wait until Germany gets desperate to maximize negotiation leverage, the longer Turkey waits the better the terms for them.

[heydaralon]

Why wouldn't Turkey want to be in the EU? Turkey is pretty poor, and the EU is a godsend for poor nations that make terrible policy decisions because German taxpayers will be there to bail them out (see Greece).

[StCapps]

Why wouldn't Turkey want to be in the EU? Turkey is pretty poor, and the EU is a godsend for poor nations that make terrible policy decisions because German taxpayers will be there to bail them out (see Greece).

The EU and The Euro are a godsend for Germany and an anchor for poor nations of Southern Europe. Greece getting a little bailout cash is not substitute for being able to lower the exchange rate of their currency so they can export again, that's a bad deal for Greece, great deal for Germany. The Germans love having their exports subsidized by poor nations dragging down the exchange rate of the Euro and the free trade zone of the EU expands their market for exports to those poor nations who then become dependent on them. Huge win for Germany all around, only once the shell game inevitably falls apart will the EU become a bad deal for Germany, but they will the last major European nation who will want to ditch the EU.

[heydaralon]

Why wouldn't Turkey want to be in the EU? Turkey is pretty poor, and the EU is a godsend for poor nations that make terrible policy decisions because German taxpayers will be there to bail them out (see Greece).

The EU and The Euro are a godsend for Germany and an anchor for poor nations of Southern Europe. Greece getting a little bailout cash is not substitute for being able to lower the exchange rate of their currency so they can export again, that's a bad deal for Greece, great deal for Germany. The Germans love having their exports subsidized by poor nations dragging down the exchange rate of the Euro and the free trade zone of the EU expands their market for exports to those poor nations who then become dependent on them. Huge win for Germany all around, only once the shell game inevitably falls apart will the EU become a bad deal for Germany, but they will the last major European nation who will want to ditch the EU.

I don't see how a few strong countries can be expected to carry the whole union indefinitely though. I don't know the figures off the top of my head, but Greece, Spain, and Portugal have terrifying unemployment numbers. Surely there comes a point when these countries have little or nothing to offer...

Fuck it though, I'm not an economist, but I would be surprised if the EU was around in 20 years.

[StCapps]

I don't see how a few strong countries can be expected to carry the whole union indefinitely though. I don't know the figures off the top of my head, but Greece, Spain, and Portugal have terrifying unemployment numbers. Surely there comes a point when these countries have little or nothing to offer...

Indeed. But before that point Germany loves the EU.

Fuck it though, I'm not an economist, but I would be surprised if the EU was around in 20 years.

It will still be around, but it won't be what it was. It'll be some dinky organization that no one, not even the Europeans, pay attention to. Some new international organizations will take over some it's former functions and become more relevant transnational governing bodies.

[heydaralon]

I don't see how a few strong countries can be expected to carry the whole union indefinitely though. I don't know the figures off the top of my head, but Greece, Spain, and Portugal have terrifying unemployment numbers. Surely there comes a point when these countries have little or nothing to offer...

Indeed. But before that point Germany loves the EU.

Fuck it though, I'm not an economist, but I would be surprised if the EU was around in 20 years.

It will still be around, but it won't be what it was. It'll be some dinky organization that no one, not even the Europeans, pay attention to. Some new international organizations will take over some it's former functions and become more relevant transnational governing bodies.

I was talking to this British guy about a year ago, and we discussed the EU. He hated the shit out of it and his opinion was that is is basically just a French proxy. Do you think France benefits more from the EU than Germany does?

[Speaker to Animals]

Oh, they want Europe, capps. They have wanted Europe for a long time.

Yeah well the EU doesn't help them in that regard, wait til it falls apart and then come to rescue with a new EU like organization that is vastly more favorable to Turkey's interests and not just a deal that is good for Germany and pretty much no one else. It's a no brainer, wait until Germany gets desperate to maximize negotiation leverage, the longer Turkey waits the better the terms for them.

No, I meant they want Europe, not to be a part of it.

[StCapps]

I was talking to this British guy about a year ago, and we discussed the EU. He hated the shit out of it and his opinion was that is is basically just a French proxy. Do you think France benefits more from the EU than Germany does?

Nope, Germany is the huge benefactor because they are big manufacturing exporter that benefits from a lower exchange rate and free trade zone that they can flood those markets with to consolidate market share. France is the clear number two beneficiary though, and we'll see just how much they've begun to sour on the EU in the upcoming election there, if Le Penn wins and France leaves, Germany won't be able to keep the game up too much longer. Carrying all the weight of the poor nations by themselves, they need the French to help bare the weight of bailing out failing EU economies or the EU will apart even quicker, and force the Germans to abandon it quicker than they'd prefer.

[StCapps]

Oh, they want Europe, capps. They have wanted Europe for a long time.

Yeah well the EU doesn't help them in that regard, wait til it falls apart and then come to rescue with a new EU like organization that is vastly more favorable to Turkey's interests and not just a deal that is good for Germany and pretty much no one else. It's a no brainer, wait until Germany gets desperate to maximize negotiation leverage, the longer Turkey waits the better the terms for them.

No, I meant they want Europe, not to be a part of it.

I know my reply took that into consideration. If they want to takeover chunks of Europe again, staying out of the EU, waiting until the EU falls apart and biding their time is the strategy to accomplish this. To be honest though Turkey has their eyes more on the Caucasus and the Levant than they do on the Balkans at this point. So naturally the Turks are more concerned with pushing into areas currently under Russian and Iranian influence than areas under EU influence.

[C-Mag]

Greek Orthodox Bishop, Metropolit Seraphim of Piraeus caused a controversy this week when he wrote Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan and urged him to convert to Christianity.
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/04 ... -mohammad/

Seraphim told Erdogan to make Vladimir Putin his godfather in a 37 page letter.

He warned Erdogan he may find himself in hell with Mohammad.