Free college in New York

[Fife]

[Ex-California]

http://money.cnn.com/2017/04/08/pf/coll ... index.html

Starting this fall, undergraduate students who attend a State University of New York or City University of New York school will be eligible for the Excelsior Scholarship if their families earn no more than $100,000 a year. The income cap will lift to $110,000 next year and will reach $125,000 in 2019.
Those eligible will pay nothing for tuition, which costs $6,470 annually at four-year schools and about $4,350 a year at community colleges.

New York will be the first state to make tuition free for some residents at four-year public colleges.

If they are going to do this, they shouldn't have a hard cap requirement on income. Anyone making just over $100,000 is going to have one of the wage earners cutting back to part time or finding ways to get paid under the table in order to qualify. Is $100,000 even solid middle class for a family in NY state?

Someone should take note of the tuition costs now and in the years following this change. I would not be surprised if the colleges begin jacking up rates even more now that the state is paying for it.

Family income of $100k is on the low side of middle class in CA, I would think its the same in NY as well.

But a family making $100k is going to be taking home only $60-80k after taxes so they might as well get something for all those taxes besides misses to Syria and free healthcare for Iraqis

[Okeefenokee]

Y'all are sending your misses to Syria?

That's cold.

[SilverEagle]

I would not be surprised if the colleges begin jacking up rates even more now that the state is paying for it.

Exactly, that's the whole thing about the "free college" scam, as soon as you hook anything up to the public trough, the perverse incentive of just milking the taxpayers for all they're worth, without producing results, is all consuming, grade school is a completely useless public sector boondoggle, all you do by making college "free" on the backs of the public purse, is turn college into an astromonically expensive high school.

Everybody will have a college diploma to go with their high school diploma, and they will both be equally worthless.

We've been there for almost 20 years. Try getting a decent paying job without a Bachelors degree. It's not impossible but damn near. With college student loans given out to everyone college became the High School of the 1970's and earlier.

[doc_loliday]

This issue is where the Leftards are at their most leftarded, "college education gets you a job, ergo, if everybody gets a college education, everybody gets a job"... except, if everybody has a college education, it ceases to be of any greater value by default, and everybody having a college education is not a job creator, unless everybody is going to be college professors, which is probably the definition of utopia for Leftards. Magical Thinking.

Masters Degrees get jobs, not bachelors. That's what the people need.

[doc_loliday]

Actually in theory I don't mind the state helping with college tuition, it's just that neglecting everything else except college is a profoundly terrible idea. Why were trades abandoned? Because plumbers dont have the paper and is somehow shameful? You can be a one man show plumber and live a solidly middle class life.

[doc_loliday]

People will pay any amount for status & prestige. But how can you blame them? It works! Me with 3 doctorates or a Business Major from Yale: who gets the job?

Education, college and degrees are addicting. Except for your first degree, did you start piling them up after you made your fortune or were you always going to school. I'm wondering because, I would probably go to school for the rest of my life, if my life didn't interfere. EE is cool but many times I wish I'd chosen math or physics, or both. The dream is a continuing education and getting a PhD in math, physics, compsci, and computer engineering. So much to do, so little time...

[Martin Hash]

I missed a decade while I was seriously building my businesses & raising my kids, but otherwise, never missed a year, even when I was uber-busy. (Until now. I'm done.)

[PartyOf5]

Family income of $100k is on the low side of middle class in CA, I would think its the same in NY as well.

But a family making $100k is going to be taking home only $60-80k after taxes so they might as well get something for all those taxes besides misses to Syria and free healthcare for Iraqis

That's what I thought. Great for the lower middle class, but they have determined that the rest of the middle class are too well off to need free tuition. Congrats mid-to-upper middle class families in NY, you are now considered rich! Now pay up for your own kids college and for everyone below you in the form of taxes. Meanwhile, the truly rich won't be affected like those caught in the middle.

[Speaker to Animals]

Y'all are sending your misses to Syria?

That's cold.

Genius.

"Oh, you are oppressed by the patriarchy and because I won't wash the dishes? Let's see how Haji takes care of you. Haji pays fifty bucks for a used woman. That's enough for the latest Grand Theft Auto."