The Myth of the 20th Century

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Re: The Myth of the 20th Century

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Ireland 1845-1850 – the Perfect Holocaust

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Re: The Myth of the 20th Century

Post by GloryofGreece » Thu Feb 14, 2019 1:34 pm

Sir Charles Trevelyan. He was the Assistant Secretary to HM Treasury and was put in charge of administering relief to the Irish people. Here is an example of how Sir Charles thought about the Irish and how he intended to organized his job. He said, “The judgment of God sent the calamity to teach the Irish a lesson, that calamity must not be too much mitigated. The real evil with which we have to contend is not the physical evil of the Famine, but the moral evil of the selfish, perverse and turbulent character of the Irish people.”
Under Trevelyan, Irish peasants had to suffer the mortification of seeing British ships laden with food sailing from Irish ports during the Famine. There was plenty of food in Ireland. Trevelyan made sure it was all sent to England. He, in fact, sent back a whole cargo ship full of grain donated by the King of Turkey. There was no official explanation why that happened. Mr. Coogan reports that the Irish economy supplied British cities with 83% of their beef, 79% of their butter, and 86% of their pork. It’s not likely that the Irish peasants had enough money to afford this food at market prices but with assistance in fixing lower prices or with relief assistance from Trevelyan, that food could have saved an enormous number of lives.
Let’s say you were a tenant on a British estate in Ireland. As was exceedingly common, your family and extended family live in a one room house. Everybody works in the fields. Half of them die of starvation. You don’t have enough people working in the fields to make the rent. The British overlord evicts you and burns your house to the ground. Now you have no job, nowhere to live, no money, no food, and all of your meager possessions burned up. Mr. Coogan points out that this was dreadfully frequent and widespread.
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Re: The Myth of the 20th Century

Post by Speaker to Animals » Thu Feb 14, 2019 1:36 pm

That's what happens when people worship the market instead of God. Read and learn. Don't worship Mammon.

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Re: The Myth of the 20th Century

Post by GloryofGreece » Thu Feb 14, 2019 1:44 pm

Are you implying the 5.2 million dead Irish died b/c they deserved it, or that the British worship money so that's why they genocided the island?
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Re: The Myth of the 20th Century

Post by Speaker to Animals » Thu Feb 14, 2019 1:52 pm

GloryofGreece wrote:
Thu Feb 14, 2019 1:44 pm
Are you implying the 5.2 million dead Irish died b/c they deserved it, or that the British worship money so that's why they genocided the island?
They worshiped money, and because it was more profitable to export the food, they felt the Irish deserved it morally.

You see the same attitudes in money worshipers in this very forum.

This kind of man derives his concept of right and wrong from the market. The market is his God.

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Re: The Myth of the 20th Century

Post by GloryofGreece » Thu Feb 14, 2019 2:59 pm

Speaker to Animals wrote:
Thu Feb 14, 2019 1:52 pm
GloryofGreece wrote:
Thu Feb 14, 2019 1:44 pm
Are you implying the 5.2 million dead Irish died b/c they deserved it, or that the British worship money so that's why they genocided the island?
They worshiped money, and because it was more profitable to export the food, they felt the Irish deserved it morally.

You see the same attitudes in money worshipers in this very forum.

This kind of man derives his concept of right and wrong from the market. The market is his God.
I think it played a role and i also think the British elite wanted to lord over the countryside for as long as they could. They wanted empire and so they made one.
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Re: The Myth of the 20th Century

Post by Montegriffo » Thu Feb 14, 2019 3:33 pm

GloryofGreece wrote:
Thu Feb 14, 2019 1:44 pm
Are you implying the 5.2 million dead Irish died b/c they deserved it, or that the British worship money so that's why they genocided the island?
Where are you getting 5.2 million from?
Around 8 million was the total population of Ireland at the time.
About 1 million died and another 1 million emigrated.
The population was around 6 million by 1850.
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Re: The Myth of the 20th Century

Post by GloryofGreece » Thu Feb 14, 2019 4:02 pm

Montegriffo wrote:
Thu Feb 14, 2019 3:33 pm
GloryofGreece wrote:
Thu Feb 14, 2019 1:44 pm
Are you implying the 5.2 million dead Irish died b/c they deserved it, or that the British worship money so that's why they genocided the island?
Where are you getting 5.2 million from?
Around 8 million was the total population of Ireland at the time.
About 1 million died and another 1 million emigrated.
The population was around 6 million by 1850.
In the middle of the 19th century, Ireland faced a crisis that killed 5.2 million of her people. The most common historical narrative is that the over-dependence on potatoes led to a famine when the crop became blighted by disease. Christopher Fogarty, author of the ‘The Perfect Holocaust’ and many works on this time period, however, joins us today to reveal his work showing how it was British policy to forcibly export, with the aid of nearly half their army, the otherwise plentiful foodstuffs from the nation during this time leading to an intentional genocide.
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Re: The Myth of the 20th Century

Post by Montegriffo » Thu Feb 14, 2019 4:21 pm

Ah, the IRA sympathiser Chris Fogarty. A man who supported the campaign to release an IRA volunteer responsible for the death of a British serviceman.

Fair enough, that explains the gross over exaggeration of the numbers.

This was a really shitty episode in British colonial history but lying about the numbers and bandying around words like genocide is not going to help the current fragile situation in Northern Ireland.
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Re: The Myth of the 20th Century

Post by GloryofGreece » Thu Feb 14, 2019 4:29 pm

Holocaust...
1.
destruction or slaughter on a mass scale



Fuck the numbers it is what it is.
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