Lessig's podcast - Another Way

[Speaker to Animals]

We won until landing on the moon didn’t mean anything. When sloth became more respected than achievement, liberty lost.

Does your radical individualist ideology win the culture war? Yes or no.

The answer is obviously NO. Else you'd not bitch about collectivism kicking you out of the democratic party, and the rise of collective interests.

[StCapps]

We won until landing on the moon didn’t mean anything. When sloth became more respected than achievement, liberty lost.

Does your radical individualist ideology win the culture war? Yes or no.

The answer is obviously NO. Else you'd not bitch about collectivism kicking you out of the democratic party, and the rise of collective interests.

The answer is yes. The Democrats going more collectivist is making them less electable, not more electable. The collectivists will destroy themselves and the individualists will climb, chaos is a ladder, the fall always breaks the collectivists, then they play victim.

The Declaration of Independence will smash identity politics, manifest destiny is destiny.

[Speaker to Animals]

We won until landing on the moon didn’t mean anything. When sloth became more respected than achievement, liberty lost.

Does your radical individualist ideology win the culture war? Yes or no.

The answer is obviously NO. Else you'd not bitch about collectivism kicking you out of the democratic party, and the rise of collective interests.

The answer is yes. The Democrats going more collectivist is making them less electable, not more electable. The collectivists will destroy themselves and the individualists will climb, chaos is a ladder, and the fall always breaks the collectivists.

The reason Trump won was by somewhat reversing the split in the white vote.

Democrats are cleaning up longterm because of identity politics. Their neocon and liberal allies only keep whites divided in the interim.

You cannot win anything in a democracy except by collective action.

Even insofar as the so-called radical individualists attempt to organize under a banner they do so.as a collective. What is a "libertyist" if not an appeal to some bullshit fabricated identity based on ideology?

[Martin Hash]

We won until landing on the moon didn’t mean anything. When sloth became more respected than achievement, liberty lost.

Does your radical individualist ideology win the culture war? Yes or no.

The answer is obviously NO. Else you'd not bitch about collectivism kicking you out of the democratic party, and the rise of collective interests.

??? Liberty means I’m not forced to be in a political party.

p.s. You don’t have to type “radical individualism” every time you mean liberty. (Unless you find it soothing somehow?)

[StCapps]

Does your radical individualist ideology win the culture war? Yes or no.

The answer is obviously NO. Else you'd not bitch about collectivism kicking you out of the democratic party, and the rise of collective interests.

The answer is yes. The Democrats going more collectivist is making them less electable, not more electable. The collectivists will destroy themselves and the individualists will climb, chaos is a ladder, and the fall always breaks the collectivists.

The reason Trump won was by somewhat reversing the split in the white vote.

Democrats are cleaning up longterm because of identity politics. Their neocon and liberal allies only keep whites divided in the interim.

You cannot win anything in a democracy except by collective action.

Even insofar as the so-called radical individualists attempt to organize under a banner they do so.as a collective.

Trump won by winning back the rust belt, it's not a race thing. Blacks used to vote Republican. Back in 2000, 44% of hispanics voted for Bush. You're being stupid thinking it's about race, just because blacks and hispanics mostly vote Democrat for a decent stretch.

Democrats are killing themselves longterm because of identity politics, they just think they are winning, so they hang themselves all the quicker. Trump won because the Democrats went too far with their identity politics bullshit, and swing voters recoiled in disgust.

[Martin Hash]

I grew up a theist. Every time one starts lecturing me, I remember the fog.

[StCapps]

StA hates liberty, thinks it's the path to collectivists victory, and the only way to beat the collectivists is to become a collectivist. Identity politics for the fail.

[C-Mag]

:popcorn

Martin Hash wielding the Liberty Hammer on Collectivist sympathizers and collaborators.

[Speaker to Animals]

StA hates liberty, thinks it's the path to collectivists victory, and the only way to beat the collectivists is to become a collectivist. Identity politics for the fail.

LOL

Liberty and collective action are not two concepts on opposite ends of some bullshit spectrum. They are two completely different concepts.

Indeed, how can you have liberty at all without collective action? The American Revolution was a collectivist action against an entrenched and tyrannical aristocracy. That was a collective. Political parties, are by their very nature collectives at the ideological level.

The first form of American government was the collective responsibility of white men who owned property (in other words: the men who fought in the militia).

There is no demos of individuals in the sense that you try to speak of. It's always collective action. Even when you try to identify as radical individualists and seek politicians who pay you lip service, you are creating another kind of collective identity.

[Martin Hash]

Another mutterfukker conflating liberty with anarchy.

Liberty is making decisions for yourself and reaping the benefits or suffering the consequences of your actions, bounded by the liberty of others.