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[heydaralon]

Jordan Peterson debates a "philosopher" that supports antinatalism ( philosophical position that assigns a negative value to birth. Antinatalists argue that people should refrain from procreation because it is immoral)

Renegade podcast-
http://cliffcentral.com/podcasts/renegade-report/

Seems like such an asinine position to have. I think life sucks and it's more negative than positive...

I think its actually a fairly interesting philosophical position. There are several interesting books on this: David Benatar wrote one that is a chore but makes an interesting case.

I think you would go crazy if you truly believed it, but think about most lives on Earth. Would you rather exist in Africa or not be born? What about if you were born with a debilitating disease that ensures you will suffer nothing but pain for your whole life? I don't have answers to these questions at all, but they are interesting to think about.

I'm not an antinatalist, but you can catch whiffs of this stuff throughout history. Seneca said something like life has many beautiful moments, but if you could see the whole thing through before you got it you would turn it down if someone offered it to you as a gift. If I were you, I would read more about the idea before you write it off completely. If anything, I would give them more credit for getting to the source of the problem quicker.

I've thought about this question before this podcast. I know it isn't the first time a human being question the worthiness of being itself. And I think its a nonsense proposition. It leads no where. Go kill yourself if you think its that bad. I'm not against suicide in an of itself. But overall, I believe it's hubris to think you can look at the long view of history and conclude that life is not worth living or even being itself. Only a pretentious self loathing "philosopher" would come to that conclusion with any degree of seriousness and the funny thing is all they do is write about it.

They don't DO anything. It preposterous. Its a prime example of being too self aware/ conscious/rumination leads to this type of circle jerk thought experiment nonsense. The Greeks knew life was tragic (overall) and there was a beauty in it pretty much b/c it was tragic and that is why even the Gods envied humans. The Gods existence didn't burn as bright as at least some humans do/did etc.

The complaint about philosophers no doing anything hardly stops with anti-natalists. Go to any philosophy department anywhere.
I don't think people should all committ suicide. If anything, a case could be made that life is so short that removing yourself from it is not necessary. Just wait a little lol.
And yes, in my opinion being too aware can lead to weird and self destructive conclusions lol. I wonder if other animals ever want to kill themselves. Do you think chimps and gorillas ever think about shit like that? I read somewhere that they experience loss when a loved one dies. I wonder what their image of self looks like in their mind.

[GloryofGreece]

I think its actually a fairly interesting philosophical position. There are several interesting books on this: David Benatar wrote one that is a chore but makes an interesting case.

I think you would go crazy if you truly believed it, but think about most lives on Earth. Would you rather exist in Africa or not be born? What about if you were born with a debilitating disease that ensures you will suffer nothing but pain for your whole life? I don't have answers to these questions at all, but they are interesting to think about.

I'm not an antinatalist, but you can catch whiffs of this stuff throughout history. Seneca said something like life has many beautiful moments, but if you could see the whole thing through before you got it you would turn it down if someone offered it to you as a gift. If I were you, I would read more about the idea before you write it off completely. If anything, I would give them more credit for getting to the source of the problem quicker.

I've thought about this question before this podcast. I know it isn't the first time a human being question the worthiness of being itself. And I think its a nonsense proposition. It leads no where. Go kill yourself if you think its that bad. I'm not against suicide in an of itself. But overall, I believe it's hubris to think you can look at the long view of history and conclude that life is not worth living or even being itself. Only a pretentious self loathing "philosopher" would come to that conclusion with any degree of seriousness and the funny thing is all they do is write about it.

They don't DO anything. It preposterous. Its a prime example of being too self aware/ conscious/rumination leads to this type of circle jerk thought experiment nonsense. The Greeks knew life was tragic (overall) and there was a beauty in it pretty much b/c it was tragic and that is why even the Gods envied humans. The Gods existence didn't burn as bright as at least some humans do/did etc.

The complaint about philosophers no doing anything hardly stops with anti-natalists. Go to any philosophy department anywhere.
I don't think people should all committ suicide. If anything, a case could be made that life is so short that removing yourself from it is not necessary. Just wait a little lol.
And yes, in my opinion being too aware can lead to weird and self destructive conclusions lol. I wonder if other animals ever want to kill themselves. Do you think chimps and gorillas ever think about shit like that? I read somewhere that they experience loss when a loved one dies. I wonder what their image of self looks like in their mind.

I'm aware many philosopher don't actually do anything but I just think pointing something out like a thought or devil's advocate thing or whatever its like o.k. you have this view now suggest and implement a solution or keep it moving. And with this specific brand of pessimism I think its a bit worthless and not at all clever or original etc. So I don't think it warrants that serious of rebuttal or discussion. Schopenhauer had a similar musing as well. And there were people since Ancient times that thought about it. I say...who cares/ its not a really valid stance or utilitarian or interesting.

I think there's evidence that might suggest dolphins, whales, elephants might be self aware to some degree...at least more than most animals or even mammals in general. Elephants not only morn but have burial rituals. Its nuts really how "smart" they must be. We just don't acknowledge it or no that much about their cognitive capabilities. I know one thing though, I wish wasn't as self aware as I am. Being in your own head is just as much if not more of a curse than a blessing. At least in my experience.

[Fife]

Don't tell us how you feel. Nobody GAF how you feel.

Emotivism and American Politics

American politics has become a game of emotion. This is by design. We cannot have rational arguments because people “feel” their vote rather than “think” it. Such is the case with most cultural issues, from immigration to Confederate monuments. Paul Graham’s book “Confederaphobia” outlines this nicely, but the problem is bigger than what he describes. Emotivism is a cancer, but killing it will be almost impossible. I discuss this on this episode of The Brion McClanahan Show.

https://www.amazon.com/Confederaphobia- ... B075LRFQSR



My self-test of one of the things McClanahan discusses in this episode on the google just now:

[K@th]

Google ---

Floridians are
Northerners are
Californians are
Westerners are
Chicagoans are

Pretty much the same, varying by mostly negative regional stereotypes

[Montegriffo]

Works for Scousers too, first 4 are - scum, horrible, scum of the Earth and thieves.
I'm not looking up ''East Anglians are''

[Hastur]

LOL. I need this explained.

[Speaker to Animals]

This one is pretty awesome:

https://www.astonishinglegends.com/

[Montegriffo]

Rude...
https://www.fluentin3months.com/usa-clashes/

Some interesting observations on America from an Irishman with an American wife.

[doc_loliday]

http://drdrew.com/2018/309-dan-carlin/

Dan with Dr. Drew.

[K@th]

So, hitting me harder than I thought, so a personal tribute that literally 10's will read

.... I can't express enough how much I consider WGN Radio in Chicago to be of importance during my life's journey.

It was a way to learn. It was a way to know what was important today. We'd listen for 25 minutes on a very early snowy morning to hear if our school district made the "snow day" list. They'd review movies and interview celebreties and talk about local topics. If "All in the Family," had one of their special episodes, they'd talk about that. I do recall being shoved from the room if something I wasn't supposed to hear was coming up.

In the evenings, it was also being a way to relax the brain, before sleeping. It was happy and lucky cure for insomnia, which I have had since birth...

I am so happy to have grown up in the late 60's/early 70's in Chicago, where the grandparents of podcasts were a daily part of life.

Milt Rosenberg was a fascinating person. He got me through the Jane Byrne era and the Harold Washington era... and, if Dan Carlin is the reason I love history, than Milt is the reason I found Dan Carlin.

I would listen to him discuss any topic, no matter how boring. I never stopped being surprised at what I found interesting. At one point, decades later, I realized that I would listen to Melvyn Bragg discuss any topic and, at the point, I made an incredible connection.

Talk radio is a key reason that today, I can relax my mind enough to sleep without pharmaceuticals. Milt was a very big part of that.

If you give it 5 minutes, you'll probably get the point.

http://wgnradio.com/2018/01/11/the-down ... rosenberg/