HH 59 : The Destroyer of Worlds

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Re: HH 59 : The Destroyer of Worlds

Post by SuburbanFarmer » Mon Jan 30, 2017 12:52 pm

Fife wrote:Follow up question to you historians.... if not the Kremlin, was there ANY target(s) in the USSR that would have crippled the war effort in one day if destroyed?
I think that any major city vaporized would be enough to cripple a country for quite some time via panic.

It's not the same as an invading army pushing yours back slowly across the countryside - see frog/boiling water. Inciting panic is the main devastation from a small nuclear exchange. And it would be instantly fatal.
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Re: HH 59 : The Destroyer of Worlds

Post by Smitty-48 » Mon Jan 30, 2017 12:58 pm

Fife wrote:Follow up question to you historians.... if not the Kremlin, was there ANY target(s) in the USSR that would have crippled the war effort in one day if destroyed?
No. And much of their combat power in 1945, was forward deployed and dispersed on a wide front anyways, so as soon you go to bomb the homeland, the Red Army is rolling towards Paris. Your troops are going to have fight World War Three, on the spot.
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Re: HH 59 : The Destroyer of Worlds

Post by SilverEagle » Mon Jan 30, 2017 12:59 pm

GrumpyCatFace wrote:
Fife wrote:Follow up question to you historians.... if not the Kremlin, was there ANY target(s) in the USSR that would have crippled the war effort in one day if destroyed?
I think that any major city vaporized would be enough to cripple a country for quite some time via panic.

It's not the same as an invading army pushing yours back slowly across the countryside - see frog/boiling water. Inciting panic is the main devastation from a small nuclear exchange. And it would be instantly fatal.
I tend to agree. If NYC or any other major city got wiped out mass panic would rule the day. Most major cities would be ghost towns except for the looters.
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Re: HH 59 : The Destroyer of Worlds

Post by Ex-California » Mon Jan 30, 2017 1:00 pm

GrumpyCatFace wrote:
Fife wrote:Follow up question to you historians.... if not the Kremlin, was there ANY target(s) in the USSR that would have crippled the war effort in one day if destroyed?
I think that any major city vaporized would be enough to cripple a country for quite some time via panic.

It's not the same as an invading army pushing yours back slowly across the countryside - see frog/boiling water. Inciting panic is the main devastation from a small nuclear exchange. And it would be instantly fatal.
But we vaporized Hamburg, Dresden, Tokyo, and others and both Germany and Japan kept fighting.

Do you think if we would have vaporized Hanoi the Vietnam War would have stopped?
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Re: HH 59 : The Destroyer of Worlds

Post by SilverEagle » Mon Jan 30, 2017 1:01 pm

California wrote:
GrumpyCatFace wrote:
Fife wrote:Follow up question to you historians.... if not the Kremlin, was there ANY target(s) in the USSR that would have crippled the war effort in one day if destroyed?
I think that any major city vaporized would be enough to cripple a country for quite some time via panic.

It's not the same as an invading army pushing yours back slowly across the countryside - see frog/boiling water. Inciting panic is the main devastation from a small nuclear exchange. And it would be instantly fatal.
But we vaporized Hamburg, Dresden, Tokyo, and others and both Germany and Japan kept fighting.

Do you think if we would have vaporized Hanoi the Vietnam War would have stopped?
One difference. They did not live in the information age. Those people, by enlarge, were left in the dark. In this modern age a clear picture of what happened would quickly spread.
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Re: HH 59 : The Destroyer of Worlds

Post by Fife » Mon Jan 30, 2017 1:05 pm

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Fife wrote:Follow up question to you historians.... if not the Kremlin, was there ANY target(s) in the USSR that would have crippled the war effort in one day if destroyed?
No. And much of their combat power in 1945, was forward deployed and dispersed on a wide front anyways, so as soon you go to bomb the homeland, the Red Army is rolling towards Paris. Your troops are going to have fight World War Three, on the spot.
Were soviet supply lines subject to strategic nukes? [A. I don't know much of anything about their supply chain up to Berlin, and B. I don't know much of anything about how much we had or could develop in terms of strategic nukes that would be accurate and effective in cutting off the deployed forces.]

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Re: HH 59 : The Destroyer of Worlds

Post by SuburbanFarmer » Mon Jan 30, 2017 1:09 pm

Fife wrote:
Smitty-48 wrote:
Fife wrote:Follow up question to you historians.... if not the Kremlin, was there ANY target(s) in the USSR that would have crippled the war effort in one day if destroyed?
No. And much of their combat power in 1945, was forward deployed and dispersed on a wide front anyways, so as soon you go to bomb the homeland, the Red Army is rolling towards Paris. Your troops are going to have fight World War Three, on the spot.
Were soviet supply lines subject to strategic nukes? [A. I don't know much of anything about their supply chain up to Berlin, and B. I don't know much of anything about how much we had or could develop in terms of strategic nukes that would be accurate and effective in cutting off the deployed forces.]
Why would you need a nuke for that? Paratroopers, or even a tiny bombing run would cut any supply lines.

What is the fucking fetish with nuclear weapons around here??
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Re: HH 59 : The Destroyer of Worlds

Post by Smitty-48 » Mon Jan 30, 2017 1:11 pm

These nukes you're talking about are not actually strategic by our definition of strategic, these are not hydrogen bombs, by nuclear war standards, these are tac-nukes, small bombs, the effects radius was actually quite limited, if you dropped it on a small city, it would destroy that city, but against dispersed combat power in the field, the Red Army on a thousand mile front, it's not going to slow them down much.
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Re: HH 59 : The Destroyer of Worlds

Post by SuburbanFarmer » Mon Jan 30, 2017 1:19 pm

Smitty-48 wrote:These nukes you're talking about are not actually strategic by our definition of strategic, these are not hydrogen bombs, by nuclear war standards, these are tac-nukes, small bombs, the effects radius was actually quite limited, if you dropped it on a small city, it would destroy that city, but against dispersed combat power in the field, the Red Army on a thousand mile front, it's not going to slow them down much.
Unless you're standing behind them with a loaded pistol, yes it would. Any army of functioning humans would scatter or revolt under threat of vaporization. At the very least, you'd knock out the 50-mile radius of those that knew they were dead soon from radiation, along with the 100-mile radius of troops that just watched part of their line go whoosh.
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Re: HH 59 : The Destroyer of Worlds

Post by Smitty-48 » Mon Jan 30, 2017 1:21 pm

I think the opposite would be the case, if you nuked the Red Army's women and children, the NKVD wouldn't need those pistols anymore, because the Red Army would likely go into suicide attack mode, driving on Paris in a fiery rage for vengeance.

America had vaporized plenty of German's and Japanese, but that just made them fight harder.
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