1016 Shadow Revolt

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Martin Hash
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Re: 1016 Shadow Revolt

Post by Martin Hash » Tue Sep 07, 2021 11:36 am

StCapps wrote:
Tue Sep 07, 2021 11:35 am
Martin Hash wrote:
Tue Sep 07, 2021 11:33 am
The heirs of Sam Walton didn’t get that way through merit.
many successful people did though, and you want to punish them because the Waltons exist

derp
Name one.
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Re: 1016 Shadow Revolt

Post by StCapps » Tue Sep 07, 2021 11:39 am

Martin Hash wrote:
Tue Sep 07, 2021 11:36 am
StCapps wrote:
Tue Sep 07, 2021 11:35 am
Martin Hash wrote:
Tue Sep 07, 2021 11:33 am
The heirs of Sam Walton didn’t get that way through merit.
many successful people did though, and you want to punish them because the Waltons exist

derp
Name one.
if I do

you will simply attribute all their success to the state

or nepotism

you invoke a meritocracy

but you don't even believe in it

you think it's all luck and merit has nothing to do with success
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Re: 1016 Shadow Revolt

Post by DBTrek » Tue Sep 07, 2021 11:40 am

Martin Hash wrote:
Tue Sep 07, 2021 11:36 am
StCapps wrote:
Tue Sep 07, 2021 11:35 am
Martin Hash wrote:
Tue Sep 07, 2021 11:33 am
The heirs of Sam Walton didn’t get that way through merit.
many successful people did though, and you want to punish them because the Waltons exist

derp
Name one.
Donald Trump.
"Hey varmints, don't mess with a guy that's riding a buffalo"

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Re: 1016 Shadow Revolt

Post by Martin Hash » Tue Sep 07, 2021 11:40 am

No heirs became that way through meritocracy.
Don't propagate lies
What time is it? 1984
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Re: 1016 Shadow Revolt

Post by Martin Hash » Tue Sep 07, 2021 11:41 am

DBTrek wrote:
Tue Sep 07, 2021 11:40 am
Martin Hash wrote:
Tue Sep 07, 2021 11:36 am
StCapps wrote:
Tue Sep 07, 2021 11:35 am
many successful people did though, and you want to punish them because the Waltons exist

derp
Name one.
Donald Trump.
He was not an heir through meritocracy.
Don't propagate lies
What time is it? 1984
Shamedia, Shamdemic, Shamucation, Shamlection, Shamconomy & Shamate Change
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Re: 1016 Shadow Revolt

Post by StCapps » Tue Sep 07, 2021 11:42 am

Martin Hash wrote:
Tue Sep 07, 2021 11:40 am
No heirs became that way through meritocracy.
the majority of the rich didn't inherit their wealth

most did it through merit
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Re: 1016 Shadow Revolt

Post by DBTrek » Tue Sep 07, 2021 11:43 am

Martin Hash wrote:
Tue Sep 07, 2021 11:41 am
He was not an heir through meritocracy.
He was an heir to wealth, that through meritocracy, expanded that wealth many times over.

How is the government seizing assets a distribution via meritocracy?
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Re: 1016 Shadow Revolt

Post by StCapps » Tue Sep 07, 2021 11:47 am

many who inherit wealth squander it

if they lack merit

there is no need to confiscate inheritances

the meritocracy works better without that

those who lack merit redistribute it on their own

no government required

the market does a far better job redistributing that wealth than the state ever will
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Re: 1016 Shadow Revolt

Post by Smitty-48 » Tue Sep 07, 2021 11:49 am

confiscation is certainly central to Fascism

from the highest levels, where the Fascist government seizes control of the corporations

down to the lowest levels, where the hapless political undesirables have their personal property confiscated by mobs in the street
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Re: 1016 Shadow Revolt

Post by DBTrek » Tue Sep 07, 2021 11:50 am

Government takes money - and spends it.
Spends more than it takes on the regular, actually.
And when it does create "programs" - they aren't awarded based on meritocracy.
They're awarded based on need, or to everyone who meets a particular (non-meritorious) metric.
Mostly they're just given to friends and family via nepotism tho.

So again, how does the government crushing family's inheritance serve meritocracy?
It serves only government, which operates completely removed from meritocracy.

Could this idea get any more convoluted?
"Hey varmints, don't mess with a guy that's riding a buffalo"