708 Marxism Went Underground

[Montegriffo]

[StCapps]

Glaciers? Fuck Glaciers.

Glaciers are not an excuse for Marxism, which won't help the glaciers one bit. Greta thinks it will help, but she's a brainwashed little girl.

[Martin Hash]

Monte read the fucking environmentalism Wiki page.

[Montegriffo]

Environmentalism or environmental rights is a broad philosophy, ideology, and social movement regarding concerns for environmental protection and improvement of the health of the environment, particularly as the measure for this health seeks to incorporate the impact of changes to the environment on humans, animals, plants and non-living matter. While environmentalism focuses more on the environmental and nature-related aspects of green ideology and politics, ecology combines the ideology of social ecology and environmentalism. Ecology is more commonly used in continental European languages while ‘environmentalism’ is more commonly used in English but the words have slightly different connotations.[citation needed]

Environmentalism advocates the preservation, restoration and improvement of the natural environment and critical earth system elements or processes such as the climate, and may be referred to as a movement to control pollution or protect plant and animal diversity.[1] For this reason, concepts such as a land ethic, environmental ethics, biodiversity, ecology, and the biophilia hypothesis figure predominantly.

At its crux, environmentalism is an attempt to balance relations between humans and the various natural systems on which they depend in such a way that all the components are accorded a proper degree of sustainability. The exact measures and outcomes of this balance is controversial and there are many different ways for environmental concerns to be expressed in practice. Environmentalism and environmental concerns are often represented by the colour green,[2] but this association has been appropriated by the marketing industries for the tactic known as greenwashing.

Environmentalism is opposed by anti-environmentalism, which says that the Earth is less fragile than some environmentalists maintain, and portrays environmentalism as overreacting to the human contribution to climate change or opposing human advancement.[3]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Environmentalism

Seems like a reasonable definition.
Guess what, the word Marxist doesn't appear anywhere on the page...

[Martin Hash]

Environmentalism as a movement covers broad areas of institutional oppression

[brewster]

Glaciers? Fuck Glaciers.

Glaciers are not an excuse for Marxism, which won't help the glaciers one bit. Greta thinks it will help, but she's a brainwashed little girl.

Your position on environmentalists would at least be honest if you actually weren't a climate change denier. But you start from the position that anyone saying we have a problem is a liar, and must have an ulterior motive, like Marxism or carpetbagging, or is a useful idiot of said liars.

Your definition of Marxism is anyone saying 'unregulated Capitalism is bad'. But that is a truth. Unregulated Capitalism IS toxic, and while capitalism is great, it must be kept within bounds of decency because the incentives to act indecently or corruptly are overwhelming. The 19th century "robber Barons" were aptly named, they used techniques that were rightly outlawed in this country, from stock scams to armed slaughter of striking workers. I've linked a number of times now to the Econtalk episode where Russ and Mike Munger, 2 Libertarians, can't escape concluding that pure, unregulated capitalism always ends up in corruption and rent seeking. They're honest conservatives, unlike you. https://www.econtalk.org/michael-munger ... apitalism/

[Montegriffo]

Environmentalism as a movement covers broad areas of institutional oppression

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[Martin Hash]

Environmentalism as a movement covers broad areas of institutional oppression

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From the link you provided.

[Montegriffo]

Environmentalism as a movement covers broad areas of institutional oppression

???

From the link you provided.

Why not post the full quote?

Environmentalism as a movement covers broad areas of institutional oppression, including for example: consumption of ecosystems and natural resources into waste, dumping waste into disadvantaged communities, air pollution, water pollution, weak infrastructure, exposure of organic life to toxins, mono-culture, anti-polythene drive (jhola movement) and various other focuses.

Still got fuck all to do with Marxism.

[brewster]

???

From the link you provided.

Why not post the full quote?

Environmentalism as a movement covers broad areas of institutional oppression, including for example: consumption of ecosystems and natural resources into waste, dumping waste into disadvantaged communities, air pollution, water pollution, weak infrastructure, exposure of organic life to toxins, mono-culture, anti-polythene drive (jhola movement) and various other focuses.

Still got fuck all to do with Marxism.

Gotta say the ubiquitous use of the term oppression is as nauseatingly fashionable as woke or privileged. There was no reason for it in that statement other than "us too" type signaling. There's plenty of other words that could have been used, from irresponsibility toexploitation that don't drag along a whole pile of baggage.