Metas?

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Re: Metas?

Post by DBTrek » Fri Apr 14, 2017 7:00 am

Martin Hash wrote:p.s. Need an excuse to go to Powell's Bookstore.
Pick up a copy of Influence by Robert B Cialdini if you've never read it.
It's a title commonly read and referenced by folks I think you might consider meta.
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Re: Metas?

Post by StCapps » Fri Apr 14, 2017 10:15 am

DBTrek wrote:
Martin Hash wrote:p.s. Need an excuse to go to Powell's Bookstore.
Pick up a copy of Influence by Robert B Cialdini if you've never read it.
It's a title commonly read and referenced by folks I think you might consider meta.
Heard good things about Cialdini's new book Pre-Suasion as well.
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Re: Metas?

Post by Mercury » Fri Apr 14, 2017 4:49 pm

Maybe singer/fencer/pilot/author/entrepreneur Bruce Dickinson: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bruce_Dickinson
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Re: Metas?

Post by Martin Hash » Sun Apr 16, 2017 9:58 am

I take recommendations very seriously. (First paper books I've read in years.)
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Re: Metas?

Post by DBTrek » Sun Apr 16, 2017 1:26 pm

Be interested to hear your thoughts on Influence once you finish it.
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Re: Metas?

Post by StCapps » Sun Apr 16, 2017 1:42 pm

DBTrek wrote:Be interested to hear your thoughts on Influence once you finish it.
Fuck it, now I have to finish reading it too. Good of a time as any I suppose.
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Re: Metas?

Post by Martin Hash » Sun Apr 16, 2017 6:47 pm

Well, neither book is going to help me identify Metas, but they were fascinating none-the-less.

Best quote from Influence:
"I don't consider myself pugnacious by nature, but I actively advocate such belligerent actions because in a way I am at war with exploiters - we all are." - Robert B. Cialdini

Best quotes from Outliers:
"They picked up on the particular egalitarian ethos of the community, which discouraged the wealthy from flaunting their success and helped the unsuccessful obscure their failures." - Malcolm Gladwell

"Practical intelligence includes things like knowing what to say to whom, knowing when to say it, and knowing how to say it for maximum effect." - Robert Sternberg

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Re: Metas?

Post by DBTrek » Mon Apr 17, 2017 8:12 am

I don't know . . . metas probably intuitively know and utilize the tactics outlined in Influence. Everything from "sale" pricing, to written commitments, to group analysis, to leveraging rationalization, to behavior reprogramming, etc, etc. My point being that anyone who intuitively knows and utilizes the methodologies outlined in Influence is going to be meta simply by the effectiveness with which they can coerce compliance from large groups of people.

I think Scott Adams misappropriates a lot of the techniques in Influence and refers to them as 'hypnotism'. I mean, sure, he'll talk about voice modulation and matching breathing and finding common ground, etc, etc, all in the context of hypnotism. But when you look at the results and study the underlying methodology, it's just using psychological influence, right?

That was the connection I saw, at least.
Though in the interest of full disclosure, I've never hunted metas before.
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Re: Metas?

Post by Haumana » Mon Apr 17, 2017 8:27 am

DBTrek wrote:
I think Scott Adams misappropriates a lot of the techniques in Influence and refers to them as 'hypnotism'. I mean, sure, he'll talk about voice modulation and matching breathing and finding common ground, etc, etc, all in the context of hypnotism. But when you look at the results and study the underlying methodology, it's just using psychological influence, right?

That was the connection I saw, at least.
Though in the interest of full disclosure, I've never hunted metas before.
:P
I am no meta hunter either. But I agree with your assessment. I tend to think of it as a form of hacking/exploiting the human mind. It is the same understanding that major retailers employ when designing store layout and product placement. It has become a science of what goes where to entice people to buy their products.

Good program for any who may not be familiar.


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Re: Metas?

Post by Martin Hash » Mon Apr 17, 2017 8:29 am

DBTrek wrote:I've never hunted metas before.
'Shhhh... It's wabbit season."
"No, it's Meta season."
"Wabbit season."
"Meta season."
"Wabbit season!"
"Meta season!"
"Wabbit season!"
"Wabbit season!"
"Meta season!"
"Yeah, it's Meta season, and you're a Meta!"
BANG!
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