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Re: Marxism

Post by Speaker to Animals » Sat Mar 11, 2017 1:44 pm

“Intersectionality” is the latest academic craze sweeping the American academy. On the surface, it’s a recent neo-Marxist theory that argues that social oppression does not simply apply to single categories of identity — such as race, gender, sexual orientation, class, etc. — but to all of them in an interlocking system of hierarchy and power. At least, that’s my best attempt to define it briefly. But watching that video helps show how an otherwise challenging social theory can often operate in practice.

It is operating, in Orwell’s words, as a “smelly little orthodoxy,” and it manifests itself, it seems to me, almost as a religion. It posits a classic orthodoxy through which all of human experience is explained — and through which all speech must be filtered. Its version of original sin is the power of some identity groups over others. To overcome this sin, you need first to confess, i.e., “check your privilege,” and subsequently live your life and order your thoughts in a way that keeps this sin at bay. The sin goes so deep into your psyche, especially if you are white or male or straight, that a profound conversion is required.

Like the Puritanism once familiar in New England, intersectionality controls language and the very terms of discourse. It enforces manners. It has an idea of virtue — and is obsessed with upholding it. The saints are the most oppressed who nonetheless resist. The sinners are categorized in various ascending categories of demographic damnation, like something out of Dante. The only thing this religion lacks, of course, is salvation. Life is simply an interlocking drama of oppression and power and resistance, ending only in death. It’s Marx without the final total liberation.

It operates as a religion in one other critical dimension: If you happen to see the world in a different way, if you’re a liberal or libertarian or even, gasp, a conservative, if you believe that a university is a place where any idea, however loathsome, can be debated and refuted, you are not just wrong, you are immoral. If you think that arguments and ideas can have a life independent of “white supremacy,” you are complicit in evil. And you are not just complicit, your heresy is a direct threat to others, and therefore needs to be extinguished. You can’t reason with heresy. You have to ban it. It will contaminate others’ souls, and wound them irreparably.

And what I saw on the video struck me most as a form of religious ritual — a secular exorcism, if you will — that reaches a frenzied, disturbing catharsis. When Murray starts to speak, the students stand and ritually turn their backs on him in silence. The heretic must not be looked at, let alone engaged. Then they recite a common liturgy in unison from sheets of paper. Here’s how they begin: “This is not respectful discourse, or a debate about free speech. These are not ideas that can be fairly debated, it is not ‘representative’ of the other side to give a platform to such dangerous ideologies. There is not a potential for an equal exchange of ideas.” They never specify which of Murray’s ideas they are referring to. Nor do they explain why a lecture on a recent book about social inequality cannot be a “respectful discourse.” The speaker is open to questions and there is a faculty member onstage to engage him afterward. She came prepared with tough questions forwarded from specialists in the field. And yet: “We … cannot engage fully with Charles Murray, while he is known for readily quoting himself. Because of that, we see this talk as hate speech.” They know this before a single word of the speech has been spoken.
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More and more people are figuring out what this neomarxism really is..

The left is collapsing.

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Re: Marxism

Post by DrYouth » Sun Mar 12, 2017 7:20 am

Do you think the Chinese worry about oppression of transgendered people or even women's rights for that matter.
They venerate Marx, but think nothing of oppressing their ethnic minorities.

Marx is about the working class... not about transgendered, blacks, women etc.

I agree with pointing this phenomenon out... but lumping it under Marxism is making your arguments weaker.

This is a phenomenon of the left of the spectrum only here in the west...

Other Socialist states in the east and in latin america are plenty happy to imprison and dispatch the minorities that our lefties agonize over.
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Re: Marxism

Post by Speaker to Animals » Sun Mar 12, 2017 7:22 am

It's been explained to you a dozen times.

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Re: Marxism

Post by TheReal_ND » Sun Mar 12, 2017 8:21 am

DrYouth wrote:Do you think the Chinese worry about oppression of transgendered people or even women's rights for that matter.
They venerate Marx, but think nothing of oppressing their ethnic minorities.

Marx is about the working class... not about transgendered, blacks, women etc.

I agree with pointing this phenomenon out... but lumping it under Marxism is making your arguments weaker.

This is a phenomenon of the left of the spectrum only here in the west...

Other Socialist states in the east and in latin america are plenty happy to imprison and dispatch the minorities that our lefties agonize over.
They don't venerate Marx. Their brand of communism stems solely from Mao and Marx is barely mentioned in the little red book. I have one I read from time to time.
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Re: Marxism

Post by Martin Hash » Sun Mar 12, 2017 8:28 am

Hash dictionary
Marxism is the equalist doctrine: from those according to their ability, to those according to their need. The obligation is on those that have, while people who are not "equal" are owed. Cultural Marxism is this doctrine applied to culture, gender & race.

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Re: Marxism

Post by DrYouth » Sun Mar 12, 2017 11:40 am

TheReal_ND wrote: They don't venerate Marx. Their brand of communism stems solely from Mao and Marx is barely mentioned in the little red book. I have one I read from time to time.
Regardless these are Socialist states. Socialism with it's controlled markets and government control of the means of production are all direct descendants of the vision of Karl Marx.

Marx did not mention feminism, he did not talk about ethnic minorities, he didn't speak of transgender or homosexuality. Generalizing Marxist ideas about the empowerment of the working class like this is clumsy, regardless of some Frankfurt School. Noone knows shit about this Frankfurt school and we could all care less about it.

Calling this trend Marxism is so blatantly off the mark that your very valid points about the western "progressive" obsession with disenfranchised identity politics is at risk of being dismissed through your labelling.

Just as lefties blabbing on about Nazis or Fascism are doing... there is probably some equivalent of the "Frankfurt School" of fascism... but noone would give a shit about it if it existed either.
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Re: Marxism

Post by Speaker to Animals » Sun Mar 12, 2017 12:22 pm

It's been explained to you a million times. Stop pretending like you don't know how cultural marxism evolved. We were all here when it was explained to you all the other times before now.

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Re: Marxism

Post by SuburbanFarmer » Sun Mar 12, 2017 12:34 pm

Speaker to Animals wrote:It's been explained to you a million times. Stop pretending like you don't know how cultural marxism evolved. We were all here when it was explained to you all the other times before now.
What if I told you that your explanation was bullshit, and that's why it was ignored?

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Re: Marxism

Post by TheReal_ND » Sun Mar 12, 2017 12:46 pm

there is probably some equivalent of the "Frankfurt School" of fascism...
I wish. Would be cool.
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Re: Marxism

Post by de officiis » Sun Mar 12, 2017 1:15 pm

DrYouth wrote:Do you think the Chinese worry about oppression of transgendered people or even women's rights for that matter.
They venerate Marx, but think nothing of oppressing their ethnic minorities.

Marx is about the working class... not about transgendered, blacks, women etc.

I agree with pointing this phenomenon out... but lumping it under Marxism is making your arguments weaker.

This is a phenomenon of the left of the spectrum only here in the west...

Other Socialist states in the east and in latin america are plenty happy to imprison and dispatch the minorities that our lefties agonize over.
BEIJING (AP) -- China's ruling Communist Party is hardening its rhetoric about Islam, with top officials making repeated warnings this past week about the specter of global religious extremism seeping into the country.

Shaerheti Ahan, a top political and legal affairs party official in Xinjiang, became the latest official from a predominantly Muslim region to warn political leaders gathered in Beijing about China becoming destabilized by the "international anti-terror situation."

Over the past year, President Xi Jinping has directed the party to "Sinicize" the country's ethnic and religious minorities, while regional leaders in Xinjiang, home to the Uighur (WEE-gur) ethnic minority, have ramped up policing amid an uptick in violence.
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/A/ ... 2-06-48-20
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