Nationalism, Socialism, Marxism

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Re: Nationalism, Socialism, Marxism

Post by TheReal_ND » Mon Apr 29, 2019 3:43 pm

That's the other thing, America is guilty as anyone of adopting fascistic imagery and rhetoric but it's the most diverse and chaotic country other than perhaps Brazil. The only people in unity are the oligarchs having homo sex and happa babies

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Re: Nationalism, Socialism, Marxism

Post by Smitty-48 » Mon Apr 29, 2019 3:49 pm

Nazi Germany is as guilty as any country in adopting homosexual imagery.

https://www.nybooks.com/daily/2018/05/1 ... -uniforms/
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Re: Nationalism, Socialism, Marxism

Post by Martin Hash » Mon Apr 29, 2019 3:49 pm

DBTrek wrote:
Mon Apr 29, 2019 3:31 pm
True.
Let explain how I’ll use this definition: if someone accuses me of being a Nationalist, my response will be that “Nationalism is nation over individual; nations do not take precedence over liberty.”
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Re: Nationalism, Socialism, Marxism

Post by TheReal_ND » Mon Apr 29, 2019 3:53 pm

Smitty-48 wrote:
Mon Apr 29, 2019 3:49 pm
Nazi Germany is as guilty as any country in adopting homosexual imagery.

https://www.nybooks.com/daily/2018/05/1 ... -uniforms/

Nice article actually. Homosexuals in fringe political movements are interesting. They tend to gravitate towards the extremes and you could argue it's partly because of some ingrained belief in taboo breaking. They also seem to be obsessed with the human form. Sometimes in a good way but often times in profoundly vile ways.

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Re: Nationalism, Socialism, Marxism

Post by DBTrek » Mon Apr 29, 2019 3:55 pm

And if they say “No, nationalism is simply an individual preferring policies that benefit their home nation over those which do not” ... then what?

They go to the dictionary and you go to Molyneaux?
Or does it go straight to pistols at dawn?
:think:

I get that language is power, and controlling language is power ... but I don’t see how an individual deciding to go with a new definition they prefer is a successful strategy. SJWs have only achieved limited success with the tactics, and they’ve spent decades entrenching themselves in education and propagandizing generation after generation. You need millions of folks to adopt your new definitions to even achieve limited success.

At least, that’s how it looks from over here.
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Re: Nationalism, Socialism, Marxism

Post by TheReal_ND » Mon Apr 29, 2019 3:57 pm

Nationalism is unity around a Nation. It's baked into the cake. Nationalism > individual liberty.

Just because you don't like it doesn't make it untrue.

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Re: Nationalism, Socialism, Marxism

Post by Smitty-48 » Mon Apr 29, 2019 3:59 pm

TheReal_ND wrote:
Mon Apr 29, 2019 3:53 pm
Smitty-48 wrote:
Mon Apr 29, 2019 3:49 pm
Nazi Germany is as guilty as any country in adopting homosexual imagery.

https://www.nybooks.com/daily/2018/05/1 ... -uniforms/

Nice article actually. Homosexuals in fringe political movements are interesting. They tend to gravitate towards the extremes and you could argue it's partly because of some ingrained belief in taboo breaking. They also seem to be obsessed with the human form. Sometimes in a good way but often times in profoundly vile ways.
Agreed.
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Re: Nationalism, Socialism, Marxism

Post by DBTrek » Mon Apr 29, 2019 4:01 pm

Nationalism and individual liberty aren’t even on the same spectrum. You guys are falling into a cognitive trap where everything exists somewhere on a single linear spectrum. America is full of nationalists who value their individual liberty over the control of the state. That being said, they prefer their state to prosper, even if that means life is shitty for Ecuador.
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Re: Nationalism, Socialism, Marxism

Post by TheReal_ND » Mon Apr 29, 2019 4:02 pm

Like for example. Some people use the term White Nationalist as some kind of description for what they believe in. A Nation, it can be demonstrated, is a group of people that rally around a central ideal to effect policy within a geographic area. This is why white nationalists are defacto terrorists. They subscribe to unity around a race within the same geographic boundary as the United States, or really any other country, some of which have multiculturalism as a specific law.

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Re: Nationalism, Socialism, Marxism

Post by DBTrek » Mon Apr 29, 2019 4:05 pm

Nations are not people who rally around a central idea, otherwise chess clubs, religions, and ComiCon nerds would be nations.
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