Nationalism, Socialism, Marxism

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Nationalism, Socialism, Marxism

Post by Martin Hash » Mon Apr 29, 2019 2:45 pm

Turns out I’m not a Nationalist after all; after listening to one of Molyneux’s videos, he makes a good argument that Nationalism is the nation over the individual, Socialism is society over the individual, and Marxism is equality over the individual.

The word I use for individual first, is Libertyism.

Molyneux describes Fascism as private ownership of property but the State decides what a factory will make and how many. Communism doesn’t allow private ownership.

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Re: Nationalism, Socialism, Marxism

Post by TheReal_ND » Mon Apr 29, 2019 3:05 pm

We already have corporate fascism. The government allows big tech, which they shower with money, to censor political conversations in the modern public square. The biggest pushers of trans LGBT and pedophilia rights in politics read like the fortune 500. That isn't democratic. This is in fact fascism. We live under corporate fascism but not for the reasons you are used to hearing.

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Re: Nationalism, Socialism, Marxism

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Re: Nationalism, Socialism, Marxism

Post by Martin Hash » Mon Apr 29, 2019 3:09 pm

Gives me a new perspective on Corporate Fascism:

Corporation over the individual.

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Re: Nationalism, Socialism, Marxism

Post by Smitty-48 » Mon Apr 29, 2019 3:10 pm

Martin Hash wrote:
Mon Apr 29, 2019 2:45 pm
Communism doesn’t allow private ownership.
Communism is a Post Scarcity Utopia, so ownership ceases to have meaning.

Communism is not a journey, it's an end state.

Socialism is the transitional stage on the way to achieving Communism.

The World Socialist Revolution has to be realized before Communism is realized.

In the meantime, Communists practice what Stalin dubbed "Socialism In One Country"
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Re: Nationalism, Socialism, Marxism

Post by Smitty-48 » Mon Apr 29, 2019 3:12 pm

Martin Hash wrote:
Mon Apr 29, 2019 3:09 pm
Gives me a new perspective on Corporate Fascism:

Corporation over the individual.
That's the original modern fascism, that's Mussolini.

National Socialism is not even really fascism, tho inspired by, Nazism is a totalitarian ideology unto itself.
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Re: Nationalism, Socialism, Marxism

Post by TheReal_ND » Mon Apr 29, 2019 3:18 pm

Smitty-48 wrote:
Mon Apr 29, 2019 3:12 pm
Martin Hash wrote:
Mon Apr 29, 2019 3:09 pm
Gives me a new perspective on Corporate Fascism:

Corporation over the individual.
That's the original modern fascism, that's Mussolini.

National Socialism is not even really fascism, tho inspired by, Nazism is a totalitarian ideology unto itself.
I would argue it closer resembles the modern perspective some people have of what Nationalism is, which is the people of the nation, read in racial and ethnic terms, comprising a Nation in it's true form. The volk above all. No one above the volk. Throw in some socialism and corporate fascism but that stuff is almost ancillary.

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Re: Nationalism, Socialism, Marxism

Post by Smitty-48 » Mon Apr 29, 2019 3:19 pm

After the Germans were stopped in the East, Mussolini, being a practical corporate fascist, said to Hitler that "the Russian phase of the war is over, we need to make a peace with Stalin so we can stop the Allies in the West"

But National Socialism could not be practical, it was total victory or total defeat, there was no negotiating anything.

National Socialism is more of a cult.

Fascism is Franco and Mussolini, Hitler was his own thing, Mussolini went down with him, but notice how Franco died in his sleep in 1975.
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Re: Nationalism, Socialism, Marxism

Post by DBTrek » Mon Apr 29, 2019 3:20 pm

Martin Hash wrote:
Mon Apr 29, 2019 2:45 pm
Turns out I’m not a Nationalist after all; after listening to one of Molyneux’s videos, he makes a good argument that Nationalism is the nation over the individual, Socialism is society over the individual, and Marxism is equality over the individual.
So a guy made up a new definition for nationalism.
Whoop-woop.
SJWs make up new definitions for words all the time.
Shit is lame.
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Re: Nationalism, Socialism, Marxism

Post by Smitty-48 » Mon Apr 29, 2019 3:25 pm

TheReal_ND wrote:
Mon Apr 29, 2019 3:18 pm
Smitty-48 wrote:
Mon Apr 29, 2019 3:12 pm
Martin Hash wrote:
Mon Apr 29, 2019 3:09 pm
Gives me a new perspective on Corporate Fascism:

Corporation over the individual.
That's the original modern fascism, that's Mussolini.

National Socialism is not even really fascism, tho inspired by, Nazism is a totalitarian ideology unto itself.
I would argue it closer resembles the modern perspective some people have of what Nationalism is, which is the people of the nation, read in racial and ethnic terms, comprising a Nation in it's true form. The volk above all. No one above the volk. Throw in some socialism and corporate fascism but that stuff is almost ancillary.
Except after Hitler's plan failed in Russia, he made the Volk drink the poison Kool-Aid in Jonestown.

Hitler turned on the Volk, because he blamed them for his plan going off the rails.
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