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[SuburbanFarmer]

I apologize dude, I accidentally deleted the middle paragraph of my screed so it was sort of an incomplete thought. Not that it was much of a thought anyway lol. I edited my post and put the complete one above yours. My bad.

It’s a good thought as well, but again, I have to disagree. How does a college-educated kid get to this point of blathering stupidity? What’s a college degree even worth anymore? Failed institution.

Growing up, I watched two very wealthy kids destroy themselves - one with drugs, the other with a shotgun. They couldn’t connect to anyone. They had no ambition or desire to do anything. And now they no longer have the opportunity.

It’s tempting to just write it off as “money is evil”, or “bad parents”, but neither is true. To my knowledge, the parents were fine, and the kids both worked with their dad at his business.

So what went wrong? It was two different problems. The younger got caught up in ‘gangster culture’ - maybe to feel like a badass, maybe because it felt Real to him. But he went too deep. The older went into isolation. He locked himself away with pot, ouija boards, and and video games. He eventually disappeared completely, and was found dead in his apartment. The last contact with him reported that he was rambling about casting spells, and contacting the dead.

Shit is broken, and has been for a long time now. We’ve paved it over with shampoo ads, and sanitized news bytes, but the rot is spreading into normie society now. The cracks are too big to hide. It’s all coming down, Bronze Age style, and it’s far too late to stop.

I envy your optimism, but it may hurt you in the end.

I apologize dude, I accidentally deleted the middle paragraph of my screed so it was sort of an incomplete thought. Not that it was much of a thought anyway lol. I edited my post and put the complete one above yours. My bad.

It’s a good thought as well, but again, I have to disagree. How does a college-educated kid get to this point of blathering stupidity? What’s a college degree even worth anymore? Failed institution.

Growing up, I watched two very wealthy kids destroy themselves - one with drugs, the other with a shotgun. They couldn’t connect to anyone. They had no ambition or desire to do anything. And now they no longer have the opportunity.

It’s tempting to just write it off as “money is evil”, or “bad parents”, but neither is true. To my knowledge, the parents were fine, and the kids both worked with their dad at his business.

So what went wrong? It was two different problems. The younger got caught up in ‘gangster culture’ - maybe to feel like a badass, maybe because it felt Real to him. But he went too deep. The older went into isolation. He locked himself away with pot, ouija boards, and and video games. He eventually disappeared completely, and was found dead in his apartment. The last contact with him reported that he was rambling about casting spells, and contacting the dead.

Shit is broken, and has been for a long time now. We’ve paved it over with shampoo ads, and sanitized news bytes, but the rot is spreading into normie society now. The cracks are too big to hide. It’s all coming down, Bronze Age style, and it’s far too late to stop.

I envy your optimism, but it may hurt you in the end.

I'm not optimistic at all. I have a very low opinion of all the institutions you mentioned, and I think the future will suck far worse than the present. But we had a civil war, 2 world wars, numerous panics and crashes, and the Great Depression. I didn't live through any of those, and I'm not sure the future will suck any worse than any of those events, though it may tie with them. My only point is that many people who are critical of institutions today seem to point to a mythical past that never existed. I have a feeling deep down that although some periods of time are better and worse than others, it has always sucked for most people. And I'm just talking about America lol. I can't even begin to imagine how bad it sucks in the rest of the non western world!
I'm sorry about your friends. As to your point about the drugs, we also act as though this is a new force in American life. Up until a few decades ago, it was quite normal for entire towns to basically run through the motions of life shitfaced. In the nineteenth century the average American consumed gallons of liquor per year. Think about the impact that had on families and communities. I'm sure spousal abuse was just banal. Many times businesses in entire towns would be closed on mondays because all the staff would be hung over. As much as I hate the temperance movement and its ilk today, they were absolutely correct in pointing out the toll alcohol takes on society. The "bad" drugs that we see today were around too. Rich men used to go to Chinatown to smoke opium. Cocaine and heroin were also around and widely used. To me, it appears these social ills have always been with us. Maybe the drug problem is worse now, but being functionally drunk 24/7 is no longer acceptable so its just replacing one drug for another really.

Here's a question for you: If you feel as if the present is hopelessly bad, when in your mind was the turning point for Americans? Around what year did things start getting worse?

Well, culturally, our high-water mark was the 60s/early 70s. In terms of overall wealth, it would be the 80s.

I don’t think that 2017 is any kind of low point. It’s the edge of the cliff. It’s the last, sad gasp of freedom before the wall comes slamming down.

Regarding what we’ve been through:

America has never “been through” a world war. We sent some troops and equipment across the ocean to experience it for us, while life went on at home. The rest of the world did not have that luxury. They watched villages leveled, families destroyed, and people slaughtered. We had a little less free time.

The Great Depression is probably the best analog for what’s coming, though it will become far, far worse before it’s over. We are over-extended beyond comprehension, and the snap-back will be fatal.

[heydaralon]

Goddamnit. The forum wasn't letting me post so I made all these duplicate posts which is why my responses look so weird. I'm still with you dude, just having some internet issues on my end. I can still keep reading your posts and responding to them.

[heydaralon]

It’s a good thought as well, but again, I have to disagree. How does a college-educated kid get to this point of blathering stupidity? What’s a college degree even worth anymore? Failed institution.

Growing up, I watched two very wealthy kids destroy themselves - one with drugs, the other with a shotgun. They couldn’t connect to anyone. They had no ambition or desire to do anything. And now they no longer have the opportunity.

It’s tempting to just write it off as “money is evil”, or “bad parents”, but neither is true. To my knowledge, the parents were fine, and the kids both worked with their dad at his business.

So what went wrong? It was two different problems. The younger got caught up in ‘gangster culture’ - maybe to feel like a badass, maybe because it felt Real to him. But he went too deep. The older went into isolation. He locked himself away with pot, ouija boards, and and video games. He eventually disappeared completely, and was found dead in his apartment. The last contact with him reported that he was rambling about casting spells, and contacting the dead.

Shit is broken, and has been for a long time now. We’ve paved it over with shampoo ads, and sanitized news bytes, but the rot is spreading into normie society now. The cracks are too big to hide. It’s all coming down, Bronze Age style, and it’s far too late to stop.

I envy your optimism, but it may hurt you in the end.

It’s a good thought as well, but again, I have to disagree. How does a college-educated kid get to this point of blathering stupidity? What’s a college degree even worth anymore? Failed institution.

Growing up, I watched two very wealthy kids destroy themselves - one with drugs, the other with a shotgun. They couldn’t connect to anyone. They had no ambition or desire to do anything. And now they no longer have the opportunity.

It’s tempting to just write it off as “money is evil”, or “bad parents”, but neither is true. To my knowledge, the parents were fine, and the kids both worked with their dad at his business.

So what went wrong? It was two different problems. The younger got caught up in ‘gangster culture’ - maybe to feel like a badass, maybe because it felt Real to him. But he went too deep. The older went into isolation. He locked himself away with pot, ouija boards, and and video games. He eventually disappeared completely, and was found dead in his apartment. The last contact with him reported that he was rambling about casting spells, and contacting the dead.

Shit is broken, and has been for a long time now. We’ve paved it over with shampoo ads, and sanitized news bytes, but the rot is spreading into normie society now. The cracks are too big to hide. It’s all coming down, Bronze Age style, and it’s far too late to stop.

I envy your optimism, but it may hurt you in the end.

I'm not optimistic at all. I have a very low opinion of all the institutions you mentioned, and I think the future will suck far worse than the present. But we had a civil war, 2 world wars, numerous panics and crashes, and the Great Depression. I didn't live through any of those, and I'm not sure the future will suck any worse than any of those events, though it may tie with them. My only point is that many people who are critical of institutions today seem to point to a mythical past that never existed. I have a feeling deep down that although some periods of time are better and worse than others, it has always sucked for most people. And I'm just talking about America lol. I can't even begin to imagine how bad it sucks in the rest of the non western world!
I'm sorry about your friends. As to your point about the drugs, we also act as though this is a new force in American life. Up until a few decades ago, it was quite normal for entire towns to basically run through the motions of life shitfaced. In the nineteenth century the average American consumed gallons of liquor per year. Think about the impact that had on families and communities. I'm sure spousal abuse was just banal. Many times businesses in entire towns would be closed on mondays because all the staff would be hung over. As much as I hate the temperance movement and its ilk today, they were absolutely correct in pointing out the toll alcohol takes on society. The "bad" drugs that we see today were around too. Rich men used to go to Chinatown to smoke opium. Cocaine and heroin were also around and widely used. To me, it appears these social ills have always been with us. Maybe the drug problem is worse now, but being functionally drunk 24/7 is no longer acceptable so its just replacing one drug for another really.

Here's a question for you: If you feel as if the present is hopelessly bad, when in your mind was the turning point for Americans? Around what year did things start getting worse?

Well, culturally, our high-water mark was the 60s/early 70s. In terms of overall wealth, it would be the 80s.

I don’t think that 2017 is any kind of low point. It’s the edge of the cliff. It’s the last, sad gasp of freedom before the wall comes slamming down.

I guess it depends on who you ask. If you view politics as an extension of culture, that's when we got LBJ and Nixon. Based on your posts and what I perceive your values to be, they seem to be polar opposite of you. As far as culture, what culture do you mean? Good music, sure. I'm not really sure about intellectual culture though. Hundreds of thousands of people protesting, armed Black Panthers taking over buildings in college dorms, having bloody standoffs with conservative students, and taking faculty hostage. Newark riots of 1967 saw 2 dozen people get killed, with entire blocks being shot up by armored vehicles. 16 people died in the Detroit Riot that same year. The weathermen planting bombs and committing arson. Really puts the SJW stupidity and riots of today in perspective. A lot of the stupidity we bemoan in academia today got its seeds planted during the sixties.

The hippie movement has been romanticized quite a bit. Some aspects of it look fun, but the towns where hundreds of thousands of them congregated were massive slums full of disease, organized crime from the high demand of drugs, and violence, with weird predatory cults springing up on the periphery. Clearly its adherents only practiced it the way Brooklyn hipsters today practice fashion as it fizzled out relatively quickly.

All of this happening against the backdrop of the Vietnam war, the most horrific one we have fought in the last half century and insane racial tension. Culturally this seems like an interesting time, but not a particularly good one.

What is it about 60's culture you like?

When you discuss the 80's and overall wealth, what do you mean? The wealth disparity, average savings of a middle class home or just GDP?

[heydaralon]

Regarding what we’ve been through:

America has never “been through” a world war. We sent some troops and equipment across the ocean to experience it for us, while life went on at home. The rest of the world did not have that luxury. They watched villages leveled, families destroyed, and people slaughtered. We had a little less free time.

The Great Depression is probably the best analog for what’s coming, though it will become far, far worse before it’s over. We are over-extended beyond comprehension, and the snap-back will be fatal.

I worry about things like automation and trade deals quite a bit. There are some folks on this board who insist that these fears are overblown. I don't know. If you look at every society in recorded history, they all went through collapses. In a long enough timeline, you are almost certainly right. I'm just not convinced our collapse is right around the corner. In the 1970's inflation was out of control, there were oil shocks, and the Soviet Union seemed to be a permanent force that was destined to beat us. Many of these scenarios never came into fruition or were solved in the short term. Its quite possible that our problems will be viewed the same way in a few decades. We are too close to look at them clearly.

Its weird because generally I'm the most pessimistic person I know, but in this thread I'm sounding optimistic somehow. I think the situation is hopeless, but not as hopeless as you do, and I think the past was just as hopeless lol. I think it might just be an expectation managing game dude.

[SuburbanFarmer]

I'm not optimistic at all. I have a very low opinion of all the institutions you mentioned, and I think the future will suck far worse than the present. But we had a civil war, 2 world wars, numerous panics and crashes, and the Great Depression. I didn't live through any of those, and I'm not sure the future will suck any worse than any of those events, though it may tie with them. My only point is that many people who are critical of institutions today seem to point to a mythical past that never existed. I have a feeling deep down that although some periods of time are better and worse than others, it has always sucked for most people. And I'm just talking about America lol. I can't even begin to imagine how bad it sucks in the rest of the non western world!
I'm sorry about your friends. As to your point about the drugs, we also act as though this is a new force in American life. Up until a few decades ago, it was quite normal for entire towns to basically run through the motions of life shitfaced. In the nineteenth century the average American consumed gallons of liquor per year. Think about the impact that had on families and communities. I'm sure spousal abuse was just banal. Many times businesses in entire towns would be closed on mondays because all the staff would be hung over. As much as I hate the temperance movement and its ilk today, they were absolutely correct in pointing out the toll alcohol takes on society. The "bad" drugs that we see today were around too. Rich men used to go to Chinatown to smoke opium. Cocaine and heroin were also around and widely used. To me, it appears these social ills have always been with us. Maybe the drug problem is worse now, but being functionally drunk 24/7 is no longer acceptable so its just replacing one drug for another really.

Here's a question for you: If you feel as if the present is hopelessly bad, when in your mind was the turning point for Americans? Around what year did things start getting worse?

Well, culturally, our high-water mark was the 60s/early 70s. In terms of overall wealth, it would be the 80s.

I don’t think that 2017 is any kind of low point. It’s the edge of the cliff. It’s the last, sad gasp of freedom before the wall comes slamming down.

I guess it depends on who you ask. If you view politics as an extension of culture, that's when we got LBJ and Nixon. Based on your posts and what I perceive your values to be, they seem to be polar opposite of you. As far as culture, what culture do you mean? Good music, sure. I'm not really sure about intellectual culture though. Hundreds of thousands of people protesting, armed Black Panthers taking over buildings in college dorms, having bloody standoffs with conservative students, and taking faculty hostage. Newark riots of 1967 saw 2 dozen people get killed, with entire blocks being shot up by armored vehicles. 16 people died in the Detroit Riot that same year. The weathermen planting bombs and committing arson. Really puts the SJW stupidity and riots of today in perspective. A lot of the stupidity we bemoan in academia today got its seeds planted during the sixties.

The hippie movement has been romanticized quite a bit. Some aspects of it look fun, but the towns where hundreds of thousands of them congregated were massive slums full of disease, organized crime from the high demand of drugs, and violence, with weird predatory cults springing up on the periphery. Clearly its adherents only practiced it the way Brooklyn hipsters today practice fashion as it fizzled out relatively quickly.

All of this happening against the backdrop of the Vietnam war, the most horrific one we have fought in the last half century and insane racial tension. Culturally this seems like an interesting time, but not a particularly good one.

What is it about 60's culture you like?

When you discuss the 80's and overall wealth, what do you mean? The wealth disparity, average savings of a middle class home or just GDP?

Think about how engaged the population was, in the 60s. Think about how much effort was spent on over-seeing the government, getting involved, and trying to change things. Listen to the lyrics of the music back then (not Motown, I'm talking about the Byrds, the Doors, etc). People were genuinely engaged, looking to make a difference. Ultimately, of course, they failed. The system absorbed, diffused, and destroyed their hopes, with maximum efficiency. But, for a time, we had a real effort at Democracy and enlightenment. And, IMO, it produced many of our greatest works upon the world.

Once that all came crashing down, we collectively said "well fuck it, then", and started nailing coke and crack in the discos. In the 80s, we said "well fuck ethics then", and unleashed the financial games that we've been playing since. Pension funds, bond markets, "investing" all became a gambling tool, and used for outright theft of the masses. We began the downward slide into a criminal society, and it's only continued since.

The 80s were the clash between Old America and New America. The blue-collar guys still had pride in their work, and held the old conservative reverence for America, while the white-collars were learning new ways to fuck them. They sold out the corps, consolidated, bought and dismantled, off-shored, and devastated our manufacturing sectors.

By the time the plebs realized it, it was over.

[Fife]

A dispatch from the Texas frontier regarding the Culture of Death:

SICK: ACLU cheers abortion of illegal immigrant’s baby

Breaking news out of Texas where a 17-year-old illegal immigrant known as “Jane Doe” held in a detention center had an abortion this morning:

BREAKING: Justice prevailed today for Jane Doe. She was able to get an abortion early this morning. #JusticeforJane

— ACLU (@ACLU) October 25, 2017

http://thehill.com/regulation/court-bat ... can-appeal



Your tax dollars at work, kids.

[Speaker to Animals]

Amazing how democrats will exploit children like that, apparently oblivious to how revolting the rest of us find it. Most of the time, I like to encourage them to double down so we can continue to destroy the evil that is the Democratic party, but please stop exploiting children, thanks. Bridge too far.

[SuburbanFarmer]

Amazing how democrats will exploit children like that, apparently oblivious to how revolting the rest of us find it. Most of the time, I like to encourage them to double down so we can continue to destroy the evil that is the Democratic party, but please stop exploiting children, thanks. Bridge too far.

Not happy about one less illegal immigrant? You're happy enough for kids to die in truck trailers, or in the deserts, trying to get here...

[Speaker to Animals]

Amazing how democrats will exploit children like that, apparently oblivious to how revolting the rest of us find it. Most of the time, I like to encourage them to double down so we can continue to destroy the evil that is the Democratic party, but please stop exploiting children, thanks. Bridge too far.

Not happy about one less illegal immigrant? You're happy enough for kids to die in truck trailers, or in the deserts, trying to get here...

Drink bleach.

[Fife]

https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/279783/




Human life is pretty fucking cheap in 2017.