Middle Class is $46,960 through $140,900. (I was going to split out "Upper Middle Class & The Rich" but too much granularity for a 1 sentence political comment.GrumpyCatFace wrote:Immigration and free trade have no effect on the Middle Class - only the poor. Middle Class does not mean 'factory worker' any more. It's office drones and middle-management.Martin Hash wrote:As far as The Poor & Middle Class go: immigration & "Free" Trade are bad things. However, for the economy as a whole, and especially for The Rich, those are good things: rising tide & all that.
Only tax policy can correct for this: that's why high Progressive tax rates are important. (High inheritance taxes are important to prevent an aristocracy.)
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Nobody (and I mean nobody) is making $47k as a laborer, or kitchen worker. That's a head chef's wage, or upper management in a small business.Martin Hash wrote:Middle Class is $46,960 through $140,900. (I was going to split out "Upper Middle Class & The Rich" but too much granularity for a 1 sentence political comment.GrumpyCatFace wrote:Immigration and free trade have no effect on the Middle Class - only the poor. Middle Class does not mean 'factory worker' any more. It's office drones and middle-management.Martin Hash wrote:As far as The Poor & Middle Class go: immigration & "Free" Trade are bad things. However, for the economy as a whole, and especially for The Rich, those are good things: rising tide & all that.
Only tax policy can correct for this: that's why high Progressive tax rates are important. (High inheritance taxes are important to prevent an aristocracy.)
As a business owner, it's doable, but that's not what we're looking at.
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GrumpyCatFace wrote:Nobody (and I mean nobody) is making $47k as a laborer, or kitchen worker. That's a head chef's wage, or upper management in a small business.Martin Hash wrote:Middle Class is $46,960 through $140,900. (I was going to split out "Upper Middle Class & The Rich" but too much granularity for a 1 sentence political comment.GrumpyCatFace wrote:
Immigration and free trade have no effect on the Middle Class - only the poor. Middle Class does not mean 'factory worker' any more. It's office drones and middle-management.
As a business owner, it's doable, but that's not what we're looking at.
He still hasn't realized tradesman make more than IT guys.
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Not unless they work for themselves, as I mentioned. Nobody makes that kind of wage, unless it's in tech somewhere, or a union gig.Speaker to Animals wrote:GrumpyCatFace wrote:Nobody (and I mean nobody) is making $47k as a laborer, or kitchen worker. That's a head chef's wage, or upper management in a small business.Martin Hash wrote: Middle Class is $46,960 through $140,900. (I was going to split out "Upper Middle Class & The Rich" but too much granularity for a 1 sentence political comment.
As a business owner, it's doable, but that's not what we're looking at.
He still hasn't realized tradesman make more than IT guys.
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GrumpyCatFace wrote:Not unless they work for themselves, as I mentioned. Nobody makes that kind of wage, unless it's in tech somewhere, or a union gig.Speaker to Animals wrote:GrumpyCatFace wrote:
Nobody (and I mean nobody) is making $47k as a laborer, or kitchen worker. That's a head chef's wage, or upper management in a small business.
As a business owner, it's doable, but that's not what we're looking at.
He still hasn't realized tradesman make more than IT guys.
They make bank, dude.
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Shit, I can't argue with that. You have defeated me, sir. Well played.Speaker to Animals wrote:GrumpyCatFace wrote:Not unless they work for themselves, as I mentioned. Nobody makes that kind of wage, unless it's in tech somewhere, or a union gig.Speaker to Animals wrote:
He still hasn't realized tradesman make more than IT guys.
They make bank, dude.
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I mean.. you can just Google the average salary of a particular tradesman in your city.. A child could refute you.
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Journeyman anything makes $40K. (You must be thinking of Apprenticeships?)
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"Loopholes" are for the Middle Class. Eliminating the Capital Gains scam is probably what you mean?GrumpyCatFace wrote:I'm not against this. But none of it matters, until the loopholes are closed.
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But you haven't.Speaker to Animals wrote:I mean.. you can just Google the average salary of a particular tradesman in your city.. A child could refute you.