You Want to Drug Test Welfare Recipients?

[Haumana]

Where is the non sequitur and where is the straw man?

My first sentence was in direct response to your post stating that drug abuse led people into poverty.

My second sentence basically just said exactly what the rest of your post said, but more succinctly and without all the hand wringing over the moral evils of smoking weed.

It's part of the problem, genius. If you need several hundred dollars in your EBT account each month to buy food for your children, and you spend almost that much on weed, then nobody can claim that your drug abuse does not lead to the problem. Remove the drug habit and you wouldn't need the EBT card, no?

No.

In whatever hypothetical you're working from, if someone has a self-sustaining drug habit, then they are a fucking drug dealer.

Don't get high from your own supply- Eazy E

[Dand]

How about we legalize the drugs and also cut back on welfare dramatically? Only give it to those who are significantly mentally or physically disabled.

[SuburbanFarmer]

This is the quintessential right-left debate.

The right says - personal agency - personal responsibility and "no coddling"

Security comes from agency.

The right says there is no baseline security you are entitled to... You earn your keep.

But when people are sick, disabled etc... or even seriously down on their luck - they can't earn their keep.
Also people who are free riders - will take advantage of the system.
The right worries more about the free riders than the disabled or simply down on their luck.


The left says - security first - agency comes from security not vice versa

If you are secure you will gain agency.

This of course does not always happen - there is such a thing as hostile dependence.

The left worries more about the disabled than the free riders.

Someone please come in here and argue with this. Show us why we should care more about free riders than the disabled.

Bonus Points x1,000,000 if you can explain why "Jaysus" would do the same thing.

[SuburbanFarmer]

How about we legalize the drugs and also cut back on welfare dramatically? Only give it to those who are significantly mentally or physically disabled.

+100

[Hanarchy Montanarchy]

Where is the non sequitur and where is the straw man?

My first sentence was in direct response to your post stating that drug abuse led people into poverty.

My second sentence basically just said exactly what the rest of your post said, but more succinctly and without all the hand wringing over the moral evils of smoking weed.

It's part of the problem, genius. If you need several hundred dollars in your EBT account each month to buy food for your children, and you spend almost that much on weed, then nobody can claim that your drug abuse does not lead to the problem. Remove the drug habit and you wouldn't need the EBT card, no?

Ah, so the weed habit jumped from 50 to 200 a month.

Well fine, spend a shit load more money to maintain the beureu of morality police to make sure people who require government assistance aren't doing things you disapprove of.

[Speaker to Animals]

No, 50 per week is about 200 per month. Do I need to do the math for you in the forum?

EBT awards are about 200 dollars per month and up, depending upon circumstances and the state. People are currently spending about 80 dollars per quarter ounce of weed, and I have personally seen single mothers burn through that each week. Then they take their EBT cards to Walmart to get their kids enough food to eat. It's really quite shocking.

[SuburbanFarmer]

No, 50 per week is about 200 per month. Do I need to do the math for you in the forum?

EBT awards are about 200 dollars per month and up, depending upon circumstances and the state. People are currently spending about 80 dollars per quarter ounce of weed, and I have personally seen single mothers burn through that each week. Then they take their EBT cards to Walmart to get their kids enough food to eat. It's really quite shocking.

Why on earth would you care? You want to legislate exactly what she's allowed to spend it on? Do you think it would take 10 minutes for that to be expanded to everyone?

[Hanarchy Montanarchy]

No, 50 per week is about 200 per month. Do I need to do the math for you in the forum?

EBT awards are about 200 dollars per month and up, depending upon circumstances and the state. People are currently spending about 80 dollars per quarter ounce of weed, and I have personally seen single mothers burn through that each week. Then they take their EBT cards to Walmart to get their kids enough food to eat. It's really quite shocking.

Read your own posts short bus. Maybe you just mistyped and meant 50 per week, but the cost of weed is not the issue.

[Speaker to Animals]

No, 50 per week is about 200 per month. Do I need to do the math for you in the forum?

EBT awards are about 200 dollars per month and up, depending upon circumstances and the state. People are currently spending about 80 dollars per quarter ounce of weed, and I have personally seen single mothers burn through that each week. Then they take their EBT cards to Walmart to get their kids enough food to eat. It's really quite shocking.

Read your own posts short bus. Maybe you just mistyped and meant 50 per week, but the cost of weed is not the issue.

It is the issue. The weed habits that I have personally witnessed easily cost more than the monthly EBT award these people received.

You literally are defending taking money from taxpayers to give to people so they can feed their children while maintaining a drug habit. Think about that shit for moment.

[SuburbanFarmer]