Minimum Wage Sucks Because

[DBTrek]

I'm not trying to be difficult dude, but I still don't quite understand your answer. So you don't think that anything should be done to offset the mass unemployment that could happen from automation?

Think about that. How often does the economic landscape change? Should we "do something" every time there is a shift? Are we obligated to "save" people in legacy industries that are no longer viable in today's market?

I'd say the economic landscape is shifting all the time, thus we're not obligated to "do something" to preserve the lifestyles of people in dying industries, and the only actual problem we're facing is how to disabuse Americans of this idea that just because they once made a living doing 'X' they're somehow guaranteed a lifetime income. That is to say, the problem isn't the fact that times change - this is an eternal constant. The problem is modern Americans thinking they deserve to be protected from times changing.

[Ex-California]

The AIs are going to murder us all anyway so its a moot point

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/techandg ... 01196.html

[Fife]

We used to talk about Bostrom a good bit, at least on the DCF, here not so much. Probably because Carlin used to talk about his stuff on the board and in some detail on CS. I know that some (or a couple) of you have actually read him.

As much as some of you all are so freaked out that there won't be a public union job all set up for you when you are 40, it seems like you would want to read up on AI. viewtopic.php?p=31442#p31442

[Zlaxer]

I'm not trying to be difficult dude, but I still don't quite understand your answer. So you don't think that anything should be done to offset the mass unemployment that could happen from automation?

Think about that. How often does the economic landscape change? Should we "do something" every time there is a shift? Are we obligated to "save" people in legacy industries that are no longer viable in today's market?

I'd say the economic landscape is shifting all the time, thus we're not obligated to "do something" to preserve the lifestyles of people in dying industries, and the only actual problem we're facing is how to disabuse Americans of this idea that just because they once made a living doing 'X' they're somehow guaranteed a lifetime income. That is to say, the problem isn't the fact that times change - this is an eternal constant. The problem is modern Americans thinking they deserve to be protected from times changing.

The problem DB - is that the change may come quicker than society can handle in a civilized manner.

One of the problems of democracy is that problems are usually never addressed until they hit critical mass.

[DBTrek]

The problem DB - is that the change may come quicker than society can handle in a civilized manner.

One of the problems of democracy is that problems are usually never addressed until they hit critical mass.

Really, dude?
There's a magic "Strong AI" switch that the Bilderberg group is going to throw which will instantly transition countless industries over from human operated to AI controlled and the workers of this nation are going to be caught with their pants down?
That's honestly how you envision this happening?

[SuburbanFarmer]

The problem DB - is that the change may come quicker than society can handle in a civilized manner.

One of the problems of democracy is that problems are usually never addressed until they hit critical mass.

Really, dude?
There's a magic "Strong AI" switch that the Bilderberg group is going to throw which will instantly transition countless industries over from human operated to AI controlled and the workers of this nation are going to be caught with their pants down?
That's honestly how you envision this happening?

No, but it is happening quickly - I'm just not convinced that it's more quickly than the Industrial Revolution.

Your first warning will be news bytes about massive layoffs, then a few months later, wall street profits start tanking, and welfare is exploding, then the big ship starts to roll...

[Zlaxer]

The problem DB - is that the change may come quicker than society can handle in a civilized manner.

One of the problems of democracy is that problems are usually never addressed until they hit critical mass.

Really, dude?
There's a magic "Strong AI" switch that the Bilderberg group is going to throw which will instantly transition countless industries over from human operated to AI controlled and the workers of this nation are going to be caught with their pants down?
That's honestly how you envision this happening?

Yes.

You don't get it man - 80% or more of the jobs out there can be automated now with today's AI....most of the population simply lacks the intellect to even try to perform the remaining 10% of jobs....its just a matter of time at this point....this isn't science fiction anymore...

[DBTrek]

Wow.
That's fucking terrifying.
Layoffs?
Stocks dip?
Shit, we've never seen anything like that.
We better start our "Lifetime of first class living for those doing nothing" programs ASAP!!!

[Zlaxer]

The problem DB - is that the change may come quicker than society can handle in a civilized manner.

One of the problems of democracy is that problems are usually never addressed until they hit critical mass.

Really, dude?
There's a magic "Strong AI" switch that the Bilderberg group is going to throw which will instantly transition countless industries over from human operated to AI controlled and the workers of this nation are going to be caught with their pants down?
That's honestly how you envision this happening?

No, but it is happening quickly - I'm just not convinced that it's more quickly than the Industrial Revolution.

Your first warning will be news bytes about massive layoffs, then a few months later, wall street profits start tanking, and welfare is exploding, then the big ship starts to roll...

No - it will be a little more subtle than that...it wont be massive layoffs - more like shrinking via attrition of retirees and transfers...

[Speaker to Animals]

The people against the idea of using a UBI in the future really aren't convincing anybody. It's a lot of invective and moral posturing over nothing, while not really addressing a single salient point. Daralon asked some simple questions and you guys failed to really answer it.

First of all, you can't just say "Why should people get money when they can pick up litter!?!?" Think about it for fuck sake. If more than half the population can't find work, picking up litter would be another job. We would already be paying people to do that. The problem is that there won't be enough jobs, period.

The other quip about the industrial revolution was equally nonsensical. We are not talking about an industrial revolution. We are talking about a robotic revolution. We are talking about a post-scarcity society which, by definition, can't run on an economic model based upon scarcity.

If all you want to do is insult people, then you lost the debate. Come up with some reasonable responses for a change.