You Want to Drug Test Welfare Recipients?

[Okeefenokee]

My buddy and I used to smoke the equivalent of $50 a day in college

That would be over an ounce a week, each. Yikes.... I can see that if you're rolling joints and smoking them like cigarettes, but if you are not wasting it by letting it just burn... man oh man, that's a freaking insane amount of pot. Call me skeptical. That's more than a pound of week in 4 months.

It takes two of us close to 5 years to smoke a pound, and dude, seriously, we smoke every evening, all evening and more on the weekends.

I'm gonna go out on a limb and speculate that California weed is way more expensive than Florida weed.

[Ex-California]

I wouldn't call it a right, per se, but if you leave the poorest of the poor without any vices, the rest of us will quickly wish we had not taken that away.

Not a right, but a liberty. Forcing someone else to pay for it at the end of a gun is neither. It's violence of the state to appease the mob at the expense of the working class. You people are crying about what damage would be done to the poor if you took away their drug money, completely ignoring the damage you are doing to working families when you tax them to fund someone else's lazy ass sitting on the couch.

Many of these people ARE working. They're working minimum wage service and retail jobs.

That's what happens when trade agreements are sending manufacturing overseas and we're stuck with a dead-end service industry built on greed

[Ex-California]

It's from the article I cited like two posts before to which you replied!

Took me all of 10 seconds to spot the problem. They required the welfare applicants to pay $25-35 for a fucking drug test. (extreme facepalm)

But this is also part of the problem with these, "experiments." They appear to be intentionally over priced.

Missouri, $336,297 to drug test 446 people. That's $754.03 per person tested.

Tennessee, $23,592 to test an unknown number of people. Kath's article doesn't say how many of the 39,121 people were tested.

And this from North Carolina,

So far, 89 drug tests have been administered at $55 each. The state has contracted Oregon-based Fortes Laboratories to examine the samples. The state has paid $4,895 for the program.

Why does it cost 13 times more to do a drug test in Missouri than in NC? I think you're shooting yourselves with these stats. Better go back to emotional pleading. The numbers aren't on your side.

I don't doubt for a second that testing costs $754 per person. Its a "medical" procedure that requires labs and we all know what medical costs are like

[SuburbanFarmer]

We use food stamps to supplement the income. Without them, we simply could not manage a single-income home. It would be just as difficult even with 2 incomes, and daycare.

Not ashamed, and not biased. I'm just saying that that stuff affects a hell of a lot more than just crackheads that you are offended by.

And again, you're relieving yourself of guilt over their situation.

[Okeefenokee]

I wouldn't call it a right, per se, but if you leave the poorest of the poor without any vices, the rest of us will quickly wish we had not taken that away.

Not a right, but a liberty. Forcing someone else to pay for it at the end of a gun is neither. It's violence of the state to appease the mob at the expense of the working class. You people are crying about what damage would be done to the poor if you took away their drug money, completely ignoring the damage you are doing to working families when you tax them to fund someone else's lazy ass sitting on the couch.

Many of these people ARE working. They're working minimum wage service and retail jobs.

That's what happens when trade agreements are sending manufacturing overseas and we're stuck with a dead-end service industry built on greed

Most people here are fine with the working poor getting some help temporarily while they work their way out of poverty.

I, and others, am talking about chronic welfare recipients living on state assistance and doing nothing but sitting on the couch getting high. I come from a small town where everyone knows everyone, and a good portion of the people there sit at home selling pain pills they got through medicaid to the young kids who work at wal-mart for drug money, and then the dealers turn around and use the money they made selling pills to buy weed. Everyone and their fucking brother, "gets a check."

[K@th]

Still crickets about the massive amounts of money spent on corporate welfare. And, let's face it, welfare for the working poor is a subsidy to the corporations that employ them.

Everyone loves to give billionaires more billions, but some guy trying to survive on $7/hour because that's the only job... yeah, he should just pull himself out of that. How about we ask the billionaires to pick themselves up by their own bootstraps and subsidize their own employee training?

[Hanarchy Montanarchy]

If anyone can point to a situation where scolding somehow fixed the problems associated with chronic poverty, I will concede immediately.

[Fife]

Still crickets about the massive amounts of money spent on corporate welfare. And, let's face it, welfare for the working poor is a subsidy to the corporations that employ them.

Everyone loves to give billionaires more billions, but some guy trying to survive on $7/hour because that's the only job... yeah, he should just pull himself out of that. How about we ask the billionaires to pick themselves up by their own bootstraps and subsidize their own employee training?

No welfare from the state for anybody, or any corporation or business, domestic or foreign, and certainly for any foreign government. ZERO. (Where's the authority in the Constitution otherwise?)

No drug testing by the state for anybody, anywhere, anytime, without a proper search warrant. ZERO. (Where's the authority in the Constitution otherwise?)

All good.

[Speaker to Animals]

A homeless gut needs more than an EBT card, and almost guaranteed needs rehab.

So I guess he better pull himself up by his bootstraps so he can afford that rehab, right?

Strawman.

[Okeefenokee]

Still crickets about the massive amounts of money spent on corporate welfare. And, let's face it, welfare for the working poor is a subsidy to the corporations that employ them.

Everyone loves to give billionaires more billions, but some guy trying to survive on $7/hour because that's the only job... yeah, he should just pull himself out of that. How about we ask the billionaires to pick themselves up by their own bootstraps and subsidize their own employee training?

No welfare from the state for anybody, or any corporation or business, domestic or foreign, and certainly for any foreign government. ZERO. (Where's the authority in the Constitution otherwise?)

No drug testing by the state for anybody, anywhere, anytime, without a proper search warrant. ZERO. (Where's the authority in the Constitution otherwise?)

All good.

Sounds good to me.