Minimum Wage Sucks Because

[Zlaxer]

Is human life better off or worse off since penicillin? What's the next penicillin? That's right, nobody knows. Nobody.

Just because nobody knows the next penicillin doesn't mean non-one is talking about what it could be.

[Martin Hash]

Against Minimum Wage

[Speaker to Animals]

All I am saying is this: for most of human history, yes, producing more shit would have made people happier. But we surpassed that point probably in the 1950s. We already maximized that strategy of making ourselves happier.

You won't get any happier with more shit. You might think, hell, if I won the lottery, I'd be buying all kinds of sports cars and banging 10s every damned day. How can that not make me happier?? Well, you might even believe you are living it up while you are burning your candle at both ends, but eventually the bill comes due and you end up less happy. Most lottery winners are less happy several years down the road.

[Zlaxer]

Against Minimum Wage

Woh killer - I agree min wage hikes tend to fuck people over in a "free trade" world....but UBI is a different animal all together because it comes directly from the governments teet.....and because the government can take as much as it fucking wants from corporations (until they decide to move or revolt).

How many people here think most people will be able to complete with AI in most jobs in 30 years?

[SuburbanFarmer]

I believe the line is usually something like "richest country in the history of time because we have iPhones".

What makes that quip especially good is that it's true.

It's really quite amazing to me that people can live in America today, only to look at the tiny fraction of humanity that has it better than them and complain.

You can live on a fixed income and you are living better than most aristocracy in all of human history. You already will live better than most people alive today.

But because they can't have even more they think the world is against them. If they would just look at it objectively, they'd see our "plutocracy" is downright beneficent as such things go.

I am not saying we shouldn't always look to improve things for the most people. We obviously should. But we shouldn't do so from a position where we bemoan our condition. That's just pathetic.

Compared to Medieval Europe? Absolutely. Compared to the ancients? Not so much. How about Europe and the rest of the developed world? Nope.

Nobody would complain that Americans in general are poor, that's just idiocy. But to ignore the fact that our society has the highest wealth inequality since Feudalism is equally stupifying.

[Martin Hash]

Against Minimum Wage

Woh killer - I agree min wage hikes tend to fuck people over in a "free trade" world....but UBI is a different animal all together because it comes directly from the governments teet.....and because the government can take as much as it fucking wants from corporations (until they decide to move or revolt).

Corporations (job creating machines) shouldn't be taxed at all. People should be PROGRESSIVELY taxed. You make a lot of money from your corporation, you pay the Basic Income of Living Wage people.

[Zlaxer]

Against Minimum Wage

Woh killer - I agree min wage hikes tend to fuck people over in a "free trade" world....but UBI is a different animal all together because it comes directly from the governments teet.....and because the government can take as much as it fucking wants from corporations (until they decide to move or revolt).

Corporations (job creating machines) shouldn't be taxed at all. People should be PROGRESSIVELY taxed. You make a lot of money from your corporation, you pay the Basic Income of Living Wage people.

I'm fine with that.

[Speaker to Animals]

What makes that quip especially good is that it's true.

It's really quite amazing to me that people can live in America today, only to look at the tiny fraction of humanity that has it better than them and complain.

You can live on a fixed income and you are living better than most aristocracy in all of human history. You already will live better than most people alive today.

But because they can't have even more they think the world is against them. If they would just look at it objectively, they'd see our "plutocracy" is downright beneficent as such things go.

I am not saying we shouldn't always look to improve things for the most people. We obviously should. But we shouldn't do so from a position where we bemoan our condition. That's just pathetic.

Compared to Medieval Europe? Absolutely. Compared to the ancients? Not so much. How about Europe and the rest of the developed world? Nope.

Nobody would complain that Americans in general are poor, that's just idiocy. But to ignore the fact that our society has the highest wealth inequality since Feudalism is equally stupifying.

It sure is hot outside. Turn off your AC. Oh, throw out all your medications. Forget the dentist. Abandon your automobile.

You have no idea what you are talking about if you think Romans had it better than you. Absolutely no fucking clue.

[SuburbanFarmer]

It's really quite amazing to me that people can live in America today, only to look at the tiny fraction of humanity that has it better than them and complain.

You can live on a fixed income and you are living better than most aristocracy in all of human history. You already will live better than most people alive today.

But because they can't have even more they think the world is against them. If they would just look at it objectively, they'd see our "plutocracy" is downright beneficent as such things go.

I am not saying we shouldn't always look to improve things for the most people. We obviously should. But we shouldn't do so from a position where we bemoan our condition. That's just pathetic.

Compared to Medieval Europe? Absolutely. Compared to the ancients? Not so much. How about Europe and the rest of the developed world? Nope.

Nobody would complain that Americans in general are poor, that's just idiocy. But to ignore the fact that our society has the highest wealth inequality since Feudalism is equally stupifying.

It sure is hot outside. Turn off your AC. Oh, throw out all your medications. Forget the dentist. Abandon your automobile.

You have no idea what you are talking about if you think Romans had it better than you. Absolutely no fucking clue.

Way to miss the point. Wow...

[Fife]

All I am saying is this: for most of human history, yes, producing more shit would have made people happier. But we surpassed that point probably in the 1950s. We already maximized that strategy of making ourselves happier.

You won't get any happier with more shit. You might think, hell, if I won the lottery, I'd be buying all kinds of sports cars and banging 10s every damned day. How can that not make me happier?? Well, you might even believe you are living it up while you are burning your candle at both ends, but eventually the bill comes due and you end up less happy. Most lottery winners are less happy several years down the road.

The state has convinced you now that everything is "shit."

Will fidget spinners and slurpees make us better off? At some point the market will tell you.

Will a cure for cancer, virtually free energy, and faster-than-light travel make us better off? At some point the market will tell you.